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Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Post by HWR_14 »

TylerE wrote: post #36
lubujackson wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happened to me last year. My wife always taunted me because I have been anti-Apple since they hermetically sealed their iMacs so you couldn't stick in RAM with talking to a "genius". "It just works!" she says. I dunno, I guess I didn't think an "Install" button needed reworking but here we are, not an ugly instruction or tooltip in sight. Also Apple: I bought my son an old refurbished iPad for watching Netflix on lon…

That should be your hint that the OS version is too old to be connecting to random services on the internet.

Netflix and the Apple App Store are not random services.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Post by IshKebab »

Yeah I remember the first time I had to figure this out. Absolutely incomprehensible, depending on the app you get. A lot of open source apps don't bother with a custom background and just have the two icons. Even if there's an arrow it's hardly clear if you're used to saner installation methods.

For a company that is supposed to be all about ease of use, this one is absurd.

And if you're wondering what Apple should do, if a .dmg file contains only an app and a link to Applications (or maybe some new flag set), when you double click it it should say something like "Do you want to install this app [Install] [Inspect disk image contents]". Very very simple.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Post by FacelessJim »

herf wrote: post #8

It's fine for installing, but uninstalling is madness: Windows uninstallers try to clean up all the registry and user profile stuff they install. Mac apps seem to just leave stuff behind in Local Settings or Caches forever? Containers are not such a bad idea.

Been using the great and free AppCleaner[1] since I have memory. It's so good I just forget it's there.

It autodetects when you delete an app from the Applications folder runs a quick scan and suggests which other files you might want to delete (So you might save savedata or settings if needed)

[1]https://freemacsoft.net/appcleaner/

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Post by IshKebab »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #51

Counterpoint: as a Mac user it is surreal to click Next Next Next to install a program on Windows. Same for uninstalling. Move to Trash and poof, unistalled. There is no standard way to install stuff, so neither MacOS nor Windows deviates from something. For all the bickering about it here in the comments, no one proposed an “ideal” solution to install a program on Mac.

At least with Windows it's always clear what to do. Mac can dump you in a finder window with two icons. Very unclear. You may have forgotten how unclear this can be for the first time.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Post by PufPufPuf »

When I first got a Macbook, I tried installing an app and had no idea what to do once I saw the app icon, arrow and Applications folder with no additional instructions. I didn't figure it out and had to look it up. For an ecosystem praised for its "user friendliness", this was certainly not the best first impression.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Post by frollogaston »

the_other wrote: post #59
frollogaston wrote: post #46

The dmg thing makes no sense. I do like that the app is self-contained, unlike Windows where it's always an installer, but don't like how deleting the app doesn't clear whatever files it put all over the place.

One advantage to leaving the configs around is that the next time you install the app, yiu get it set up just the way you had it before. Also, AFAIK, this mirrors how command line utils would work.

Why would you remove an app if you want it to stay set up? iPhone has the "deleting an app will remove its data" thing for this reason.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Post by anon7000 »

self_awareness wrote: post #39
nullbio wrote: post #30

No one will ever convince me that the Mac approach for installing programs is intuitive or good UX. The whole argument of: "But if you think about it in ... way, it makes sense" is a terrible argument.

It's not a good method, as well as approving tens of following security popups, entering System Settings, finding some entries, allowing something that the user doesn't even understand, entering passwords after each mouse click. MacOS experience is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e and it's getting worse on each release. People who like macOS experience for me either suffer from Stockholm syndrome, or nostalgia about lost macOS 9 base…

macOS is quirky and sometimes limited, but to be honest gets out of your way for the most part. Windows is actively hostile to me in numerous ways. Linux is incredible in its depth of customization, but still to this day needs extra tinkering in plenty of cases.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Post by petepete »

TylerE wrote: post #52
self_awareness wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a good method, as well as approving tens of following security popups, entering System Settings, finding some entries, allowing something that the user doesn't even understand, entering passwords after each mouse click. MacOS experience is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e and it's getting worse on each release. People who like macOS experience for me either suffer from Stockholm syndrome, or nostalgia about lost macOS 9 base…

There isn't anything better. Don't tell me desktop linux. It's not fit for purpose and doesn't run the software I need it to run. I do not want to run Linux. I, frankly, do not like what Linux evolved into. The desktop linux of 15 years ago was sort of acceptable. Modern systems infected with pulseaudio, systemd, and whatever the fuck gnome and kde have turned into are not. I'd rather run Windows, and I hate Windows.

Linux doesn't have a way, there are about 30.

Ultimately though, package managers (whether it's apt, dnf, Steam, some app store, etc) are the best for most people, myself included.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Post by FacelessJim »

frollogaston wrote: post #53
TylerE wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one will ever convince me that literally anything about Windows isn't utterly insane.

There's a surprisingly sane place in Windows to uninstall apps that has no equivalent on Mac.

The Applications folder itself is the equivalent. You can select an app and just press delete.
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