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As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Counterpoint: as a Mac user it is surreal to click Next Next Next to install a program on Windows.

Same for uninstalling. Move to Trash and poof, unistalled.

There is no standard way to install stuff, so neither MacOS nor Windows deviates from something. For all the bickering about it here in the comments, no one proposed an “ideal” solution to install a program on Mac.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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No one will ever convince me that the Mac approach for installing programs is intuitive or good UX. The whole argument of: "But if you think about it in ... way, it makes sense" is a terrible argument.

It's not a good method, as well as approving tens of following security popups, entering System Settings, finding some entries, allowing something that the user doesn't even understand, entering passwords after each mouse click. MacOS experience is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e and it's getting worse on each release. People who like macOS experience for me either suffer from Stockholm syndrome, or nostalgia about lost macOS 9 base…

There isn't anything better.

Don't tell me desktop linux. It's not fit for purpose and doesn't run the software I need it to run. I do not want to run Linux. I, frankly, do not like what Linux evolved into. The desktop linux of 15 years ago was sort of acceptable. Modern systems infected with pulseaudio, systemd, and whatever the fuck gnome and kde have turned into are not. I'd rather run Windows, and I hate Windows.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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No one will ever convince me that the Mac approach for installing programs is intuitive or good UX. The whole argument of: "But if you think about it in ... way, it makes sense" is a terrible argument.

No one will ever convince me that literally anything about Windows isn't utterly insane.

There's a surprisingly sane place in Windows to uninstall apps that has no equivalent on Mac.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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Happened to me last year. My wife always taunted me because I have been anti-Apple since they hermetically sealed their iMacs so you couldn't stick in RAM with talking to a "genius". "It just works!" she says. I dunno, I guess I didn't think an "Install" button needed reworking but here we are, not an ugly instruction or tooltip in sight. Also Apple: I bought my son an old refurbished iPad for watching Netflix on lon…

That should be your hint that the OS version is too old to be connecting to random services on the internet.

Sorry...what? Netflix is "a random service on the Internet"??

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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It makes more sense if one thinks of the disk image files as digital analogues to thumb drives, optical discs, etc. In the Classic Mac OS days a decent chunk of software (especially shareware/indieware) didn't have an installer and was just a folder you copied from a floppy disk or CD, which this process kinda mimics. You're just opening a file instead of putting in a disc.

The problem is that an application isn't intuitively analogous to removable media at all. The last time I physically inserted a disc to run an app was in the CD Rom era.

The click-and-drag to the Applications folder step is also odd. Presumably the user wants to install the app if they've double-clicked it, so instead of kludgily hacking the file manager (oof!), why not simply prompt "Do you want to install [application name]?" [OK]/[Cancel]? How would that not be clearer? (Can you even install an app via the keyboard alone with that interface? I assume you must be able to, but it's certainly not intuitive that you could tab and enter your way to installation happiness.)

I appreciate that TFA is all about the creativity that can be added to this step, but it seems to me to be poor UI/UX design to allow so many possible ways of doing something so fundamental as installing an application. Sure, it's cool and fun if you're young and creative; but likely confusing as all hell if you're older and less-computer-literate.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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It's truly a terrible UX decision that Apple's left in place because of apathy. (And presumably thinking someone wants to install software through the Mac App Store!?) They should offer a first-class way of "installing downloaded apps" and push developers to use it. I would say use an Installer package but I can't remember if there's issues with it not being a single file. So a zipped installer package. And then make…

They do list .zip as one recommended way: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/packaging-ma... But .dmg is also listed as a way to sign the whole thing.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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The dmg thing makes no sense. I do like that the app is self-contained, unlike Windows where it's always an installer, but don't like how deleting the app doesn't clear whatever files it put all over the place.

Windows uninstall scripts often do the same. Some have an option of removing data files, some just leave them behind. I don’t have any statistics but I see no reason to believe the situation is any «better» on windows. Also, I am sure people will disagree on whether it is better to remove data files or leave them.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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It's not a good method, as well as approving tens of following security popups, entering System Settings, finding some entries, allowing something that the user doesn't even understand, entering passwords after each mouse click. MacOS experience is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e and it's getting worse on each release. People who like macOS experience for me either suffer from Stockholm syndrome, or nostalgia about lost macOS 9 base…

There isn't anything better. Don't tell me desktop linux. It's not fit for purpose and doesn't run the software I need it to run. I do not want to run Linux. I, frankly, do not like what Linux evolved into. The desktop linux of 15 years ago was sort of acceptable. Modern systems infected with pulseaudio, systemd, and whatever the fuck gnome and kde have turned into are not. I'd rather run Windows, and I hate Windows.

Well I run Linux since 25 years, so if you're telling me that it's not "fit for purpose" then I question your ability to see purpose.

Also I think you're cargo culting. You have problems with existence of systemd while praising an OS that doesn't even allow you to disable transition animation delays when changing virtual screens. It's not logical.

Btw, pulseaudio is old news, now it's pipewire.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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The dmg thing makes no sense. I do like that the app is self-contained, unlike Windows where it's always an installer, but don't like how deleting the app doesn't clear whatever files it put all over the place.

One advantage to leaving the configs around is that the next time you install the app, yiu get it set up just the way you had it before.

Also, AFAIK, this mirrors how command line utils would work.

Re: As a Windows user, it's a surreal way to install a program

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How about running a program to set up another program, isn't that right, hahaha totally insane

Don't even get me started on the registry.

How's registry different than ~/Library/Application Support?
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