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Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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The problem isn't the price. No matter how much you pay, you can't take delivery of a chip that doesn't exist. Now, you could raise prices to the point where you destroy demand. But that's a tricky window to maneuver through.

> The problem isn't the price. No matter how much you pay, you can't take delivery of a chip that doesn't exist I’m confused because this reads like a denial of basic economics. If the price is high enough, the chip will be produced for you. Do you mean because of the production lead time, higher prices won’t result in increased production? Commodities like corn have been managing this for a long time… what’s special…

>Commodities like corn have been managing this for a long time… what’s special about chips?

Chips aren't grown, for starters. They require very expensive facilities that take a long time to plan, build and start up. And ag firms are not seeing their stock price skyrocket based on the assumption that they will show exponential revenue growth every quarter, so there's no incentive for them to overbook their capacity and hope for the best. Maybe if the population was doubling every six months, you'd see something similar in corn. Prices in the real world are not perfectly elastic, and big deals are often locked in long before actual production.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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Seems like we need a USB equivalent standard to RAM sticks. I have lots and lots of old (1-2GB), intercompatible sticks sitting. Sometimes you just need the space and not the speed.

> Sometimes you just need the space and not the speed. Your computer already supports that. It's called "swap".

You don't need swap, you need "apps" that take back the "memory is cheap anyway" crappy culture.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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If demand outpaces supply then there’s a shortage no matter what you do. I don’t believe scalpers are an issue in B2B; these aren’t concert tickets being sold to the general public. It’s clear you grasp the economic theory as it’s taught, but my comment was meant for you to question it. If someone is hungry you can charge more for food. The market allows and encourages it. But don’t mistake that for “willingness” and…

When demand exceeds supply you have two options: make the people who value those goods the highest compete with each other to pay the natural market price for them, or have a lottery with price ceilings. Price ceilings create inefficiency, and they create black markets. In a lottery, the goods are misallocated to a bunch of people who aren't getting the most value out of the goods, creating economic inefficiency. A b…

> you have two options

There are many other ways to allocate capacity. For example, you could give preferential access to customers who sign long-term purchase commitments, or some other favourable terms. These other methods might correlate well with value to the seller and might be easier for buyers to pay.

Other methods could be "allocate to customers that you want to maintain a good relationship with." I suspect HBM is not allocated either with pure auctions or by lottery.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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Motherboard. New motherboard…so new cpu socket (mine was Broadwell)…and new ram needed. GPU is mostly fine and can probably reuse that but it’s Vega so not the greatest I was due for an upgrade but the prices of everything is ridiculous. The thought of pc-of-Theseus’ing my busted ass PC is just sad. Thank god I bought a PS5 Pro before Sony started jacking up the prices. I remember when buying a $300 GPU was extravaga…

Why don't you just get a MB only for now? What mandates an entire new batch of hardware?

It sounds like whining for the sake of it really.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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AI companies would do well to realize that civil disobedience is a thing. Take what's currently happening to Flock cameras as an object lesson. People are so fed up with Flock that they're cutting their cameras down en masse, sometimes wiping them clean from entire jurisdictions. Tens of thousands of other people in those jurisdictions are cheering them on, even offering alibis for them before they've been caught. La…

They don't need to slow down development, they just need to slow down on being greedy over all of the hardware. They should be investing in manufacturing.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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So, you have DDR4? Pick any B550 with a VRM heatsink for $90, a 5600 for $190, and you are back in business. Get a 5070 or 9070 before GDDR supply is completely gone if you want an actual upgrade. As for GPU price, that Vega 64 was $500 in 2018. Even a midrange GPU hasn't been $300 since the Radeon RX 480 launched a decade ago.

This is essentially what I did and it worked a treat. Get in while the getting's still good. Having a modern but DDR4 compatible system is not obly a great way to get up and running now, but will help see you through this crisis long term.

Reading this thread I am so frickin glad I built a monster DDR4 workstation back in 2021. It would cost me more to build out that computer today (dual 3090s, 512GB ECC, 3995wx). Ram was so cheap back then.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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Literally put a 50% tax on everything and then said it'll only raise prices 2%

Imports from China to the US are around 1% of US GDP. Total imports are maybe 14%? But not as highly tariffed.

Yes, they are very cheap aren’t they.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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What’s wrong with a signature?

Sometimes I wonder if true reason behind them is not any sort of verification but to maybe increase potential punishment if caught... So effectively nothing...

Increasing potential punishment if caught - or making it more likely that you will get caught - dissuades thefts.
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