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App Store Rejection of the Week: Dark Hours

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Re: App Store Rejection of the Week: Dark Hours

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Post by Terr_ »

macintux wrote: post #60
dgellow wrote: post #58

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You grandma can keep the „restricted“ flag on then. I will be happy to disable it on my device

My concern has been that companies with a huge install base (hi, Meta) would take advantage of this: "in order to provide you with the best experience, you have to turn off the restricted flag to install the next release of our app". And then, billions of users cry out in pain as their private data is hoovered into the panopticon in the cloud.

One thing we could do is abolish the "anti-circumvention" laws, where the government goes after you with criminal penalties for "contempt of business-model" for interfering with how a company wishes it's code would run on your computer.

Then it would be legal for someone to develop and give-away a patch for the Meta app...

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

jgruber wrote: post #170
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #152

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This is a ridiculous take. The iPhone was enabled by unrelated advances in computer hardware miniaturization, it had absolutely nothing to do with Windows' dominance creating "necessity". It was not competing with, and never did, replace Windows. Regulation is needed to ensure that people can compete within a market, not just create an entirely new market as enabled by technological advances which would have happened…

It's a little simplistic, sure, but I mean how much nuance do you expect me to fit into a HN comment? What I left out is Windows Mobile, which was Microsoft's attempt to extend the Windows hegemony to mobile devices. Here are Windows Mobile's US market share numbers, per Wikipedia: 2004 11% 2005 17% 2006 37% 2007 42% 2008 27% 2009 15% 2010 7% 2011 3% What do you think happened in 2007?

Somebody came up with better phone technology. Which would have happened anyways. Your argument was that it was necessary for Microsoft and now Apple to have a monopoly in order to create "necessity" for innovation, but Microsoft's monopoly was not driving Moore's law. The iPhone would have happened with or without Windows Mobile.

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Post by kalleboo »

zimpenfish wrote: post #102
dgellow wrote: post #58

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You grandma can keep the „restricted“ flag on then. I will be happy to disable it on my device

That's great until your device is weaponised against others (see: open HTTP proxies, open DNS resolvers, open SMTP servers, several billion IoT devices, and countless other examples)

Those issues could be diminished if ISPs actually handled abuse requests and shut down people's connections until they removed their malware.

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Post by baby_souffle »

iamnothere wrote: post #77
baby_souffle wrote: post #64

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I get your point but neither the Play store or the Apple app store are devoid of malware.

Obviously the solution is to restrict the stores to a small, government-licensed list of apps that are known to be safe and regulated.

> Obviously the solution is to restrict the stores to a small, government-licensed list of apps that are known to be safe and regulated.

I've been curious about the north korean mobile OS...

Re: App Store Rejection of the Week: Dark Hours

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Post by dtagames »

What's wrong here is that Apple decided devs need their permission to install standard web tech apps on Apple devices.

Apple is anti-dev, pro control of the income stream, and only interested in supporting devs that are all in on the cult.

The fact that the dev made a web version with all the same functionality just proves we don't need an app store nor Apple to gatekeep it.

Re: App Store Rejection of the Week: Dark Hours

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Post by Rohansi »

ceejayoz wrote: post #153
Rohansi wrote: post #141

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Those are very different scenarios because your "protection" is the threat of consequences. You can freely buy and use knives, you can drive your own car, but you can only use your phone to do what Apple approves of? Sure, banning knives, replacing cars with public transport, and locking down all computers should be safer in theory... but murderers will still murder and scammers will still scam. Social engineering is…

> You can freely buy and use knives… No, not necessarily. Quite a few countries have restrictions on knives, including some parts of the US - a switchblade will get you in trouble in NYC. > you can drive your own car Only in approved ways! Hell, you'll get in trouble if your gasoline is the wrong color. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_dye#Fuel_dye_in_North_Ame... "Detection of red-dyed fuel in the fuel system of a…

> Hell, you'll get in trouble if your gasoline is the wrong color.

You've missed my point even though it's right in front of you. You won't get in trouble for using your Apple device in non-approved ways because it doesn't let you. Would you ban cars for everyone because it's not safe for grandma to drive anymore? Probably not - so why lock down devices for everyone?

> Do we not take steps to try and reduce murder?

Not directly? Gun/knife control probably helps but people willing to risk the consequences of murder are not going to care about breaking more laws to get illegal weapons. Or just use a weapon that's easy to get.

Re: App Store Rejection of the Week: Dark Hours

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Post by ceejayoz »

Rohansi wrote: post #179
ceejayoz wrote: post #153

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> You can freely buy and use knives… No, not necessarily. Quite a few countries have restrictions on knives, including some parts of the US - a switchblade will get you in trouble in NYC. > you can drive your own car Only in approved ways! Hell, you'll get in trouble if your gasoline is the wrong color. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_dye#Fuel_dye_in_North_Ame... "Detection of red-dyed fuel in the fuel system of a…

> Hell, you'll get in trouble if your gasoline is the wrong color. You've missed my point even though it's right in front of you. You won't get in trouble for using your Apple device in non-approved ways because it doesn't let you . Would you ban cars for everyone because it's not safe for grandma to drive anymore? Probably not - so why lock down devices for everyone? > Do we not take steps to try and reduce murder?…

> You won't get in trouble for using your Apple device in non-approved ways because it doesn't let you.

The government won't let me use my car in non-approved ways. They will, in fact, stop me with guns at times.

I'm not even allowed to purchase some items, let alone use as I please. I'm allowed to buy (or sell) a https://www.fairphone.com/ style device! But no one really wants them.

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