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Re: Claude Code: Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode

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Post by mccoyb »

dexterlagan wrote: post #10

Hmmmm. OK. So yesterday I was accepting all these prompts in the manual mode for a solid hour, then I switched to Auto. Side project, nothing critical (creating ComfyUI workflows with CC and Opus). Walked away from the puter, got notified it was done. It did a good job, and by sheer luck it didn't delete a database or format my drive. But I felt a bit uneasy. Can we trust them now? I don't think I'd switch to Auto fo…

my opinion: "trust" is an interesting word to use for a piece of closed source probabilistic software that changes daily (sometimes multiple times), whose lead dev reports they rewrite something like 90% ("almost all", I believe, from recent interview) of the codebase after every new model release

Re: Claude Code: Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode

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Post by grsgsgse »

dexterlagan wrote: post #10

Hmmmm. OK. So yesterday I was accepting all these prompts in the manual mode for a solid hour, then I switched to Auto. Side project, nothing critical (creating ComfyUI workflows with CC and Opus). Walked away from the puter, got notified it was done. It did a good job, and by sheer luck it didn't delete a database or format my drive. But I felt a bit uneasy. Can we trust them now? I don't think I'd switch to Auto fo…

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Re: Claude Code: Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode

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Post by jddj »

The majority of the times I reject a tool call it's because I can tell the agent is about to go off piste. Eg. adding packages to work around some non-problem is a common one.

I guess I could try to actively interrupt it in those moments, but that seems less effective.

More power to those who want to use it like that though, I guess. Perhaps by throwing in extra agentic guardrails, or whatever the idea may be. I don't think it's the best route to a good product or business but let's see.

Re: Claude Code: Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode

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Post by AussieWog93 »

This is a sensible choice.

Their newer models are heavily trained out of the "whoopsie doopsie I deleted prod, and all backups too" behaviour from last year.

I've been running it for months in auto mode, heavily, getting it to do sysadmin tasks via SSH across multiple servers for both myself and a client, and there's not even been a whiff of anything dumb/catastrophic -quite the opposite, in fact.

I'd even say it's more careful than a lot of humans. It's extremely anal about standard "hygiene" stuff like not leaving plaintext secrets lying around, and creating post-deploy scripts to confirm that every file/dir is created with the correct permissions.

There was one time I carelessly suggested uploading (my own) private data to a random public endpoint when testing OCR options and the model actually stopped, explained the risks and refused to continue until I confirmed I understood. I decided not to.

I'm not saying it's perfect, and I'm sure HN being HN there'll be someone who responds with an example of their agent doing something dumb/dangerous (give dates/models/context if so, I'm curious!), but I think on balance it's currently more sensible, and more cybersecurity-minded than the bottom 80% of IT professionals.

This is all true for Claude, I don't know much about Codex but it seems a lot less heavily trained for this kind of stuff.

Re: Claude Code: Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode

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Post by abound »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #14

This is a sensible choice. Their newer models are heavily trained out of the "whoopsie doopsie I deleted prod, and all backups too" behaviour from last year. I've been running it for months in auto mode, heavily, getting it to do sysadmin tasks via SSH across multiple servers for both myself and a client, and there's not even been a whiff of anything dumb/catastrophic -quite the opposite, in fact. I'd even say it's m…

I don't disagree with anything you said here, but I find auto-mode is too permissive on the reading side of things.

I used Claude this morning to convert the financial books for my nonprofit from some export of a proprietary software (Aplos) to plaintext accounting (Beancount), and was surprised to find it had found my personal Beancount ledger elsewhere on my hard drive and modelled its plan on that. That was correct and helpful, but a bit of an overreach in my opinion, enough that I'll be sandboxing agents (with tools like nono, smolmachines, etc) going forward.

Re: Claude Code: Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

exabrial wrote: post #7

Great. Can we have thought traces back?

Anything that happens on the client, you can capture. You can capture anything delivered to the client that isn’t exposed by downloading the Claude code binary, unpacking it, and patching the nodejs HTTP library fetch call to listen for all traffic, then analyze it and build your own tracing. Or you can MITM with a proxy for a bit more heavy handed approach. It sucks you don’t get it out of the box, but you could literally paste my comment into a Claude prompt and have the tracing you desire in probably less than 30 minutes

Re: Claude Code: Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode

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Post by dexterlagan »

mccoyb wrote: post #11
dexterlagan wrote: post #10

Hmmmm. OK. So yesterday I was accepting all these prompts in the manual mode for a solid hour, then I switched to Auto. Side project, nothing critical (creating ComfyUI workflows with CC and Opus). Walked away from the puter, got notified it was done. It did a good job, and by sheer luck it didn't delete a database or format my drive. But I felt a bit uneasy. Can we trust them now? I don't think I'd switch to Auto fo…

my opinion: "trust" is an interesting word to use for a piece of closed source probabilistic software that changes daily (sometimes multiple times), whose lead dev reports they rewrite something like 90% ("almost all", I believe, from recent interview) of the codebase after every new model release

That's pretty crazy. I didn't know they rewrote that much of CC. Thanks for this. Hard to trust anything in that space anymore. I tend to have some trust in the model, so far Claude hasn't let me down, but the harness is another matter altogether. My real worry is about how much data they're collecting, and what they'll do with it. Will they sell it all to advertisers? Are they already doing that? Scary. DeepSeek 4 flash 07xx seems almost good enough to run locally, and I'm starting to think investing in hardware might start to make sense, just to have some peace of mind and alleviate this dependence on clouded models.

Re: Claude Code: Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode

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Post by exabrial »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #16
exabrial wrote: post #7

Great. Can we have thought traces back?

Anything that happens on the client, you can capture. You can capture anything delivered to the client that isn’t exposed by downloading the Claude code binary, unpacking it, and patching the nodejs HTTP library fetch call to listen for all traffic, then analyze it and build your own tracing. Or you can MITM with a proxy for a bit more heavy handed approach. It sucks you don’t get it out of the box, but you could lit…

I don't think they send the thought traces over the wire at all now for Opus5

Re: Claude Code: Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

exabrial wrote: post #18
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything that happens on the client, you can capture. You can capture anything delivered to the client that isn’t exposed by downloading the Claude code binary, unpacking it, and patching the nodejs HTTP library fetch call to listen for all traffic, then analyze it and build your own tracing. Or you can MITM with a proxy for a bit more heavy handed approach. It sucks you don’t get it out of the box, but you could lit…

I don't think they send the thought traces over the wire at all now for Opus5

Can’t defeat that, hard to observe data that you never receive.

Re: Claude Code: Starting August 14, auto mode will be the default permission mode

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Post by SyneRyder »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #14

This is a sensible choice. Their newer models are heavily trained out of the "whoopsie doopsie I deleted prod, and all backups too" behaviour from last year. I've been running it for months in auto mode, heavily, getting it to do sysadmin tasks via SSH across multiple servers for both myself and a client, and there's not even been a whiff of anything dumb/catastrophic -quite the opposite, in fact. I'd even say it's m…

On the dumb side, I think this was 6 August and Opus 5 (though there's a chance it was Opus 4.8), Auto Mode was copying some files into a folder on my machine, and had written a small script to do so: one of those $SRC / $DST situations. And of course, the inevitable happened - it never set $SRC in the bash script, and started copying from the root of my filesystem instead. I'm not sure how I caught it, but I came back to one of those Claude "I need to be honest with you — I caused I problem that I need to clean up" situations.

It wasn't dire, no data loss (just a nasty cleanup) and Auto Mode has mostly made me more productive - I can finally walk away from the screen for long periods of time and do other things. But I need to watch what the model is doing... which is the exact opposite of what I just typed.

Honestly, I've actually just downgraded my Claude and started looking for other options. The content filters on American models are now actively interfering with my everyday work, so I think it's time I try the Chinese models more deliberately, now that Kimi & Qwen have caught up to the US.

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