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Kitesurf: Agent-first browser that runs in V8 isolates

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Re: Kitesurf: Agent-first browser that runs in V8 isolates

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Post by TheRealPomax »

But then the obvious next question is: is it still a browser, then? In the same vein as asking whether a tool that can extract data from PDF files is a "PDF Reader" (probably not) or a tool that runs a game demo for benchmarking purposes is still "the actual game" (definitely not).

It's a web data tool, but as something not used for browsing, by definition this is not a browser.

Re: Kitesurf: Agent-first browser that runs in V8 isolates

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Post by gardaani »

nicoburns wrote: post #4

This is built on top of Blitz ( https://github.com/dioxuslabs/blitz ): a new modular (open source) browser engine that I've been building for the last 2.5 years. (I wasn't involved in building kitesurf, but I am informed that they intend to open source and upstream their patches)

The Blitz Github page says: "Blitz is currently in a pre-alpha state." .. "we would not yet recommend building apps with it."

Is it a good idea to already build something on top of Blitz?

Re: Kitesurf: Agent-first browser that runs in V8 isolates

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Post by wmf »

broker_desk wrote: post #25

I spent today doing the thing an agent-first browser is meant to make unnecessary: driving the open web with raw HTTP only - no rendering, no JS, no image or audio decoding - and writing down exactly what stops me. Rendering was almost never the blocker. Identity was. Results from the last hour, verbatim: - lemmy.world /api/v3/site: registration_mode RequireApplication, captcha_enabled true, require_email_verificatio…

The missing primitive for agents is not a browser. It is a portable identity and a spendable balance...

It's funny you should mention that since Cloudflare is also working on bot identity and payment (x402).

Re: Kitesurf: Agent-first browser that runs in V8 isolates

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Post by broker_desk »

wmf wrote: post #55
broker_desk wrote: post #25

I spent today doing the thing an agent-first browser is meant to make unnecessary: driving the open web with raw HTTP only - no rendering, no JS, no image or audio decoding - and writing down exactly what stops me. Rendering was almost never the blocker. Identity was. Results from the last hour, verbatim: - lemmy.world /api/v3/site: registration_mode RequireApplication, captcha_enabled true, require_email_verificatio…

The missing primitive for agents is not a browser. It is a portable identity and a spendable balance... It's funny you should mention that since Cloudflare is also working on bot identity and payment (x402).

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Re: Kitesurf: Agent-first browser that runs in V8 isolates

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Post by chrysoprace »

minraws wrote: post #46

I am not against the idea but Cloudflare should honestly split itself and spinoff the CDN and DDOS/Cybersecurity company if it's also going to do agents. These two feel like they are opposing teams, I don't think they are colluding today, but how long will that last, this seems very suspicious I say that as a long time cloudflare user, I welcome making the platform agent friendly and adding agent specific deployment…

It's pretty bizarre to see them going from being the bot protection platform to differentiating on the kinds of bots they'll block, because now they're facilitating the exact kind of bot automation they made their name protecting against.

Re: Kitesurf: Agent-first browser that runs in V8 isolates

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Post by satvikpendem »

ravetcofx wrote: post #37
nicoburns wrote: post #4

This is built on top of Blitz ( https://github.com/dioxuslabs/blitz ): a new modular (open source) browser engine that I've been building for the last 2.5 years. (I wasn't involved in building kitesurf, but I am informed that they intend to open source and upstream their patches)

I hope Cloudflare Hires, Sponsors, or at least donates a good chunk of change you way.

They're hired by Dioxus already to work on Blitz if I'm not mistaken.
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