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Should AI labs be treated like the owners of dangerous animals?

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Re: Should AI labs be treated like the owners of dangerous animals?

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I don't get it. Why is breaking the law so hard to enforce when it is a company (i.e a person or group of people consenting to) running a computer program? If I take a gun and spray bullets around me I don't get to write it off as the gun being dangerous.

But if you told an embodied AI to do a home cleaning task, and it decided to pick up a gun and start spraying bullets, you might not want to be held liable for that.

You might not want to be liable, but you absolutely should be.

Re: Should AI labs be treated like the owners of dangerous animals?

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How are you going to figure that out? You can’t capture an agent in a jar and convince it to confess. As we saw with the HF incident, even highly sophisticated actors need a good chunk of time and manpower to trace these things. And I suspect the folks who are going to have the most success with LLM-powered cybercrime are going to know how to cover their tracks reasonably well.

"Ghost guns" exist, too, but we still try to prosecute reckless use of firearms to the extent possible.

Difference there is you need a physical body firing the ghost gun. There can be witnesses who saw a shooter, you can look at cameras to track their physical location, and if they discard the weapon they leave fingerprints.

Re: Should AI labs be treated like the owners of dangerous animals?

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The [Company] is aware they were hacked and your data stolen and your account details sold. The [Company] apologizes.

The best is that the article frames it as "Autonomous hacking is here. Governments are not ready". As if someone didn't authorizing turning the damn thing on. > TO LOSE CONTROL of one artificial intelligence may be regarded as misfortune. To lose two looks like carelessness. Lose four, and people may start to wonder whether the problem lies with AI itself. No fingers pointed at the company, just the "AI". Funny how t…

it makes you wonder did the developers intentionally add vulnerability exploitation as a feature so they can use it against their competitors or anyone else

Re: Should AI labs be treated like the owners of dangerous animals?

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post #6

I don't get it. Why is breaking the law so hard to enforce when it is a company (i.e a person or group of people consenting to) running a computer program? If I take a gun and spray bullets around me I don't get to write it off as the gun being dangerous.

But if you told an embodied AI to do a home cleaning task, and it decided to pick up a gun and start spraying bullets, you might not want to be held liable for that.

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Re: Should AI labs be treated like the owners of dangerous animals?

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post #24
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best is that the article frames it as "Autonomous hacking is here. Governments are not ready". As if someone didn't authorizing turning the damn thing on. > TO LOSE CONTROL of one artificial intelligence may be regarded as misfortune. To lose two looks like carelessness. Lose four, and people may start to wonder whether the problem lies with AI itself. No fingers pointed at the company, just the "AI". Funny how t…

it makes you wonder did the developers intentionally add vulnerability exploitation as a feature so they can use it against their competitors or anyone else

This is a conspiracy I can get behind.

Re: Should AI labs be treated like the owners of dangerous animals?

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"The law in America relies on intentionality, notes Rune Kvist, head of Artificial Intelligence Underwriting Company, which insures AI firms. If no human intended to hack anyone, no crime can have happened. The ability to sue for damages is limited too." This is sloppy. Criminal negligence exists (although some crimes do require intent). And civil tort certainly doesn't require intent.

The guys who job is to shell out damages claims no one deswrves damages

Re: Should AI labs be treated like the owners of dangerous animals?

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post #6

I don't get it. Why is breaking the law so hard to enforce when it is a company (i.e a person or group of people consenting to) running a computer program? If I take a gun and spray bullets around me I don't get to write it off as the gun being dangerous.

But if you told an embodied AI to do a home cleaning task, and it decided to pick up a gun and start spraying bullets, you might not want to be held liable for that.

I might not want to be held liable if my car accelerates uncontrollably, but i am until i successfully sue the manufacturer for the defects.

Demand ai cleaners that are capable of being held accountable, or accept the risk you choose. Or just clean your own house.

Re: Should AI labs be treated like the owners of dangerous animals?

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post #6

I don't get it. Why is breaking the law so hard to enforce when it is a company (i.e a person or group of people consenting to) running a computer program? If I take a gun and spray bullets around me I don't get to write it off as the gun being dangerous.

But if you told an embodied AI to do a home cleaning task, and it decided to pick up a gun and start spraying bullets, you might not want to be held liable for that.

So we can have vicarious liability for banal stuff like contractors but not for AI?
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