I'm surprised neither OpenAI nor Anthropic made this move first. The Chinese open weight models are pulling ahead and commoditizing their value proposition. Baking models onto silicon would've been the next logical move to get a moat. Google is already doing this and has an experimental project on top of already having TPUs and cramming their quantized flash onto individual TPUs for inference.
AMD acquires Taalas to boost inference performance by etching models in silicon
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Re: AMD acquires Taalas to boost inference performance by etching models in silicon
#672There are market verticals where this makes a lot of sense. Embedded systems and IoT devices comes to mind. Even in data center space, I believe several layers can use fixed weights and remaining layers will compensate for the variations. Power savings will be huge so I think there is an incentive to do more of these.
Re: AMD acquires Taalas to boost inference performance by etching models in silicon
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It's quite telling that the 8B Taalas chip was already reticle-sized on TSMC N6. I mean, we're talking about a process that does ~100 MTr/mm², ROM needs about one transistor per bit, but can probably be packed more densely than general logic. Something like, say, 150 megabit/mm² is not a lot. N6 has a 850 mm² reticle limit. This roughly tracks, the article says the chip has 8B parameters and apparently spends about h…
Taalas exploits the low cardinality to store one 4-bit weight with one transistor. (They are using metal layer traces for the ROM, and connecting an access transistor to light up one of 16 options.) Their system is honestly very efficient for the weights, the problem is the KV-cache. That's why HC1 only supports such short context, they use SRAM for that and spend most of what's left of the die for it. The recent adv…
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My question is what changes about LLM use cases when you’re getting 1000 tok/s? Models in silicon might dramatically change how we think about them.
It's pretty clear if you see what's happening on current phones. Autocorrect that works. Reply suggestions that almost work, just need to be tad more accurate (probably more of a data access issue than model) and a tad faster to look completely seamless. Screenshots with automated text detection and OCR and automatic interpretation (different suggested actions for when something on the picture looks like a web link,…
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It failed on my usual test. But it failed really fast: "A farmer has a wolf, a goat, and a cabbage. The wolf is imaginary and doesn't exist. He wants to cross the river, but the boat is only big enough to hold him and one of them. The farmer can't leave the wolf and the goat together, because the wolf will eat the goat. Similarly, he can't leave the goat and the cabbage together, because the goat will eat the cabbage…
I'm not sure one can fail this test. You can follow "wolf is not real", you can follow "wolf will eat the goat", or you can say the task is ambiguous. I could easily defend any of those.
It's such a strong test in my opinion, because all the words and phrases for the well known river crossing puzzle are inside the text. The original puzzle probably appears in the training data over and over again, but probably not my version.
"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck" is what weaker models seem to apply. But my test isn't a duck. It's extremely easy for a human to catch the ambiguity, but surprisingly hard for many LLMs. I think GPT 5.0 Thinking was the first model I couldn't trick into not noticing the ambiguity. 4o and 5.0 instant fell for it all the time.
Re: AMD acquires Taalas to boost inference performance by etching models in silicon
#676I think what will happen is what happened to something like 4K video decoding before where it ends up in silicon costing almost nothing to run extremely fast on device. "Good enough" LLM functionality (for the use case) will be on-die or on-chip for cars, appliances, etc. This will provide speeds of chatjimmy at a battery-level power consumption. Probably this will also happen for software engineering. Some usb-power…
My food processor could use a self-cleaning feature. It could only be made worse by some system that, IDK, changes the setting based on off-hand comments about "I don't know what his beef is.."
Re: AMD acquires Taalas to boost inference performance by etching models in silicon
#6771. This chip for an 8B model even if it was done at 5nm would still be twice the size of a conventional CPU die so what are the yields for this going to be like for even a 30B model?
2. They say 2 months but llama 3.1 was released 2024, ~2 years which is normal lead time for silicon, I suspect this would take longer if the architecture is not llama?
3. Can google do the same thing in house with their Gemma 4 series (two year lead time puts Gemma 4 on silicon April 2028) ?
I can see the benefit for hyper scalers but at the rate of model turn over does this type of investment make sense?
Re: AMD acquires Taalas to boost inference performance by etching models in silicon
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Scaling a model on a chip is quite hard. ChatJimmy is based on Llama 3.1 8 billion. Kimi K3 has 2.8 trillion parameters. That are 350x more parameters. I would expect that Gemma 4 E2B (approx 5.1 billion parameters) or maybe even Gemma 4 26 billion A4B at some point is running on a chip.
Scaling is definetly hard - but there is no absolute requirement to put huge flagship models into this technology (although it might be possible over time). A fairly dumb but FAST model has it's own totally distinct use-cases even if it can't be scaled in size. Think about a LLM-infused-Alexa where the response time is instant. Where you can request it looks at hotel options in Montreal, and it starts answering in ha…
Yet the answers will get outdated quickly whilst the silicon is fixed.
Re: AMD acquires Taalas to boost inference performance by etching models in silicon
#679Earlier quoted context omitted.
Scaling a model on a chip is quite hard. ChatJimmy is based on Llama 3.1 8 billion. Kimi K3 has 2.8 trillion parameters. That are 350x more parameters. I would expect that Gemma 4 E2B (approx 5.1 billion parameters) or maybe even Gemma 4 26 billion A4B at some point is running on a chip.
Scaling is definetly hard - but there is no absolute requirement to put huge flagship models into this technology (although it might be possible over time). A fairly dumb but FAST model has it's own totally distinct use-cases even if it can't be scaled in size. Think about a LLM-infused-Alexa where the response time is instant. Where you can request it looks at hotel options in Montreal, and it starts answering in ha…
Re: AMD acquires Taalas to boost inference performance by etching models in silicon
#680Earlier quoted context omitted.
Scaling a model on a chip is quite hard. ChatJimmy is based on Llama 3.1 8 billion. Kimi K3 has 2.8 trillion parameters. That are 350x more parameters. I would expect that Gemma 4 E2B (approx 5.1 billion parameters) or maybe even Gemma 4 26 billion A4B at some point is running on a chip.
350x is only about 10-20 years of improvement, using CPU FLOPS as the benchmark.
Physics has hard limits and Moore's law is long dead.