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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#181

Looking at the caching price of deepseek compared to its competitors, does it have a secret sauce or is it just subsidizing?

That's DeepSeek's way of selling "token plans", yes. But without the downsides like daily or weekly limits and guaranteed upfront/fixed spend.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Flash is a delightful model and the start of intelligence at effectively insignificant cost.

From here on, it's going to become all about harnesses that best situate and organize swarm intelligence at scale.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Others have said similar but I disagree, I'm spending $200/m and I can easily burn through my weekly quota with a few overnight goals using 5.6 medium.

And what do you do with all that?

5.6 medium is pretty good at implementing moderately complicated things as long as you've done a good job specking out the types and the API contracts and acceptance criteria.

I can pretty easily burn through my weekly quota over several agent coding hours with minimal supervision when tasked with some pretty large but well-planned refactors.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#185

Perhaps it might be interesting: a latent thinking version is here https://huggingface.co/nmitchko/DeepSeek-V4-Flash-0731-Laten... Does no thinking emissions for context saving.

This is pretty interesting, I've never heard of this approach before - do you know if there is a research paper that covers how this was achieved?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Note this is the 07/31 release of DSv4 flash and not the "preview" that they put out a couple months or so ago. I've been running this model locally for a week, and the preview version before that. This updated one feels like a whole tier up. It's very capable for debugging and analyzing documents/data I upload. The killer feature, IMO, is the speed. On 2x RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell, its ~8k tok/s prefill and ~250 tok/s…

What quantization level is that? Because official endpoints are slow .

From opencode go $10/mo plan I get between 60 t/s and 100 token/s even with large contexts of 150k+ tokens.

I wouldn't call 80 t/s slow.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now nobody seems interested in it because the price hasn't gone down it's still $3/$15 for all providers on openrouter because of some Kimi license https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3#providers

Morph has it for a slight discount, apparently. Uptime looks crap, though.

I believe it's because they are below $20 Million revenue limit (which Kimi K3's license has)

So we won't see any price decrease unless Kimi changes the license of K3

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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post #164

Note this is the 07/31 release of DSv4 flash and not the "preview" that they put out a couple months or so ago. I've been running this model locally for a week, and the preview version before that. This updated one feels like a whole tier up. It's very capable for debugging and analyzing documents/data I upload. The killer feature, IMO, is the speed. On 2x RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell, its ~8k tok/s prefill and ~250 tok/s…

What quantization level is that? Because official endpoints are slow .

It doesn't need extra quantization. The official weights are natively mixed precision FP4/FP8, so it fits in ~160GB. The API slowness is probably from being batched with other concurrent user requests. The provider's aggregate throughput gets higher but per-stream speed slows down.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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post #162

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

If what you're saying is true and accurate, then US-based AI labs are in big trouble. The only saving grace might be some sort of a 'national security' proclamation banning the use of state-of-the-art Chinese (and non-US) models across US federal and state governments and large enterprises (especially ones with federal government contracts), but even still, US AI labs will probably lose out massively on international…

It is amazing how fast it happened. Right now one of my main projects is fully running on DeepSeek flash. My reason was that I was blocked by both of the main US AI labs from working on it because it involves viruses. DeepSeek flash has been killing it since I switched it on, completing the first phase of the project and setting up an iteration in another application space. It isn't the most brilliant model, but it is reliable and I don't have to manage my weekly token allowance. I just spend freely and end up spending only a few dollars a day. Intelligence is going to become a basic commodity. Only special stuff is going to drive us to use special models. And maybe not even that.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#190

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

It's very impressive and I'm running it locally on 2x DGX. Non thinking mode is very responsive. Thinking mode has some latency but can be switched on when needed. Both are really good
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