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Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

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Re: Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

#51

I find this funny and interesting at some levels 1. Codex, Claude and others try to switch models being used at their level itself to manage the cost and outcomes 2. Now company like data bricks develops one more layer on the top of it to do the same task, of finding the base harness and applicable model Companies like Codex and Claude are focussing/investing heavily on to ensure that people are using their harness d…

... where in the article did they say they were using subscriptions? I'm fairly certain enterprises can't access subscription pricing in any case, they're all API costs (Anthropic doesn't support more than 150 on subscription pricing [0][1]). [0]: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/9797531-what-is-the-e... [1]: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/9266767-what-is-the-t...

Going through their harness (codex, claude) is subscription (app use) which is heavily? subsidized.

Anyone using the enterprise plan are charged the API pricing, however the article is not clear if Databricks is using enterprise plan or not which is why added the following disclaimer

> Unless Databricks has some agreement in place

Re: Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

#52

I find this funny and interesting at some levels 1. Codex, Claude and others try to switch models being used at their level itself to manage the cost and outcomes 2. Now company like data bricks develops one more layer on the top of it to do the same task, of finding the base harness and applicable model Companies like Codex and Claude are focussing/investing heavily on to ensure that people are using their harness d…

Open ai is allowing subscription use, anthropic also paused the effort to stop subscription use.

Bans are not in effect?

Re: Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

#53
post #16

I would be really curious to hear from devs at Databricks what the experience of development is like internally. I work at a small startup with essentially unlimited AI spend budget - the entire point is that I should be turning to it at every opportunity since our human labor is so expensive relative to tokens. So generally it's like: - Spend most time prioritizing/discussing what to do. - Once that's agreed, use Fa…

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Re: Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

#54
post #15

is this opensource or have to buy from Databricks?

It seems Databricks open-sourced it a while ago: https://www.databricks.com/blog/introducing-omnigent-meta-ha... https://github.com/omnigent-ai/omnigent

Omniagent looks quite similar to OpenRouter (https://openrouter.ai/)

Re: Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

#55
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In our team's experience, the product of agents is generally The Homer (1). It does work, but it's vastly overengineered. When I personally want tight code, I have to spend a considerable amount of time adjusting it manually: - It needs to be trimmed down. In my experience, at least one agent I use struggles to produce minimalist designs, and it's very frustrating - I need to consider whether there are solutions base…

This was more true a few months ago but Fable has improved the situation considerably. Also just remember - minimalist code looks and feels great but customers do not read your code. I have caught myself many times providing "corrections" to abstractions that were already ~fine, just not perfect. The average SWE costs $200/hr. Careful you don't burn $50 worrying about code that will likely be rewritten or can be bett…

Minimalist code is necessary to keep AI agents working well for longer than a month on a system IME. At a certain point, their own machinations overwhelm them and they both slow down, and make worse and worse decisions.

Re: Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

#56
post #16

I would be really curious to hear from devs at Databricks what the experience of development is like internally. I work at a small startup with essentially unlimited AI spend budget - the entire point is that I should be turning to it at every opportunity since our human labor is so expensive relative to tokens. So generally it's like: - Spend most time prioritizing/discussing what to do. - Once that's agreed, use Fa…

In our team's experience, the product of agents is generally The Homer (1). It does work, but it's vastly overengineered. When I personally want tight code, I have to spend a considerable amount of time adjusting it manually: - It needs to be trimmed down. In my experience, at least one agent I use struggles to produce minimalist designs, and it's very frustrating - I need to consider whether there are solutions base…

No surprise, LLM companies optimize for waste. More tokens, and more prompts means more revenue. Reminds of Google’s Prabhakar Raghavan story: deliberately making search worse [1]

[1]: https://pluralistic.net/2024/04/24/naming-names/#prabhakar-r...

Re: Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

#57
post #55
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was more true a few months ago but Fable has improved the situation considerably. Also just remember - minimalist code looks and feels great but customers do not read your code. I have caught myself many times providing "corrections" to abstractions that were already ~fine, just not perfect. The average SWE costs $200/hr. Careful you don't burn $50 worrying about code that will likely be rewritten or can be bett…

Minimalist code is necessary to keep AI agents working well for longer than a month on a system IME. At a certain point, their own machinations overwhelm them and they both slow down, and make worse and worse decisions.

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Re: Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

#58
post #16

I would be really curious to hear from devs at Databricks what the experience of development is like internally. I work at a small startup with essentially unlimited AI spend budget - the entire point is that I should be turning to it at every opportunity since our human labor is so expensive relative to tokens. So generally it's like: - Spend most time prioritizing/discussing what to do. - Once that's agreed, use Fa…

Do you have tips for generating clean productive output per dollar?

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Re: Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

#59

I find this funny and interesting at some levels 1. Codex, Claude and others try to switch models being used at their level itself to manage the cost and outcomes 2. Now company like data bricks develops one more layer on the top of it to do the same task, of finding the base harness and applicable model Companies like Codex and Claude are focussing/investing heavily on to ensure that people are using their harness d…

Open ai is allowing subscription use, anthropic also paused the effort to stop subscription use.

They did? Is there a source where I can learn more? I'd love to use my Anthropic subscription with opencode.

Re: Managing AI Coding Costs at Scale

#60

I find this funny and interesting at some levels 1. Codex, Claude and others try to switch models being used at their level itself to manage the cost and outcomes 2. Now company like data bricks develops one more layer on the top of it to do the same task, of finding the base harness and applicable model Companies like Codex and Claude are focussing/investing heavily on to ensure that people are using their harness d…

buddy, they're on enterprise plans paying per token
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