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The Claudyssey: A line-for-line translation of Homer's Odyssey by Claude Fable 5

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Re: The Claudyssey: A line-for-line translation of Homer's Odyssey by Claude Fable 5

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12,107 line-for-line translation of the A.T. Murray Greek text (Loeb, 1919) by Claude Fable. Includes line notes and an index. HTML, epub, pdf, and YouTube Audio (by gpt4o-TTS). A dual-agent review pass was done on the entire work with a third "adjudication" agent reconciling their findings. Reviewer agnets were gpt-5.6-sol high reasoning.

why?

Every translator is opinionated in some way. I can see the appeal in having something like this as a neutral comparison.

Re: The Claudyssey: A line-for-line translation of Homer's Odyssey by Claude Fable 5

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I'm just curious why you'd put "Claud[e]" in the name of this project. Is it an Anthropic-sponsored one? If so, may you please disclose it? Additionally, I think it puts a date to a wonderful project that otherwise could be very timeless. In 5 years we'll probably be like, "what's Claude?" Anyway, really cool work and thanks for sharing!

In 5 years we'll probably have locally run AI which could do something like this in a millisecond.

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I'm just curious why you'd put "Claud[e]" in the name of this project. Is it an Anthropic-sponsored one? If so, may you please disclose it? Additionally, I think it puts a date to a wonderful project that otherwise could be very timeless. In 5 years we'll probably be like, "what's Claude?" Anyway, really cool work and thanks for sharing!

I truly doubt it will be timeless. There are already a few excellent English translations of the Odyssey.

Re: The Claudyssey: A line-for-line translation of Homer's Odyssey by Claude Fable 5

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

why?

Every translator is opinionated in some way. I can see the appeal in having something like this as a neutral comparison.

LLMs are not neutral, either. They don't have "opinions", per se, as they don't want anything, but they do have biases baked into their training.

Re: The Claudyssey: A line-for-line translation of Homer's Odyssey by Claude Fable 5

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This page provides a great overview of several popular translations of The Odyssey. It lists line-by-line translations as well free translations: https://readtheodyssey.org/best-odyssey-translation

It's hard to take that page seriously when it doesn't include the marvellous translation by Peter Green.

Re: The Claudyssey: A line-for-line translation of Homer's Odyssey by Claude Fable 5

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How does it compare to previous (human) translations, what is the regurgitation level? In any case, lots of em dashes, so mission accomplished to bring it up to contemporary standards.

https://theclaudyssey.com/read/book-01.html#n1

The first line is a crappy mishmash of Lattimore and Fagles.

Lattimore: >Tell me, Muse, of the man of many ways, who was driven far journeys, after he had sacked Troy's sacred citadel.

Fagles: >Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns driven time and again off course, once he had plundered the hallowed heights of Troy.

Claude: >Tell me the man, Muse — the man of many turnings, who was driven wandering far, once he had sacked Troy's holy citadel

Combining "man of many ways" and "man of twists and turns" into "man of many turnings" is just dreck.

Re: The Claudyssey: A line-for-line translation of Homer's Odyssey by Claude Fable 5

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Having recently read Wilson's translation, I was immediately put off at the introduction and leapt to the conclusion it was bad. It just doesn't sound anywhere near as good to my ear.

However, there may be more to it than I thought. No admittedly the following is ChatGPT's opinion, but I think it's valid and made me think again:

> The second is the better translation as English poetry; the first (Claude's) is the better translation if you want to see the Greek more directly.

> If I were studying Homer, I'd strongly prefer the first. It continually reminds you that you're reading an ancient poem whose concepts don't map neatly onto modern English.

Re: The Claudyssey: A line-for-line translation of Homer's Odyssey by Claude Fable 5

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How does it compare to previous (human) translations, what is the regurgitation level? In any case, lots of em dashes, so mission accomplished to bring it up to contemporary standards.

https://theclaudyssey.com/read/book-01.html#n1 The first line is a crappy mishmash of Lattimore and Fagles. Lattimore: >Tell me, Muse, of the man of many ways, who was driven far journeys, after he had sacked Troy's sacred citadel. Fagles: >Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns driven time and again off course, once he had plundered the hallowed heights of Troy. Claude: >Tell me the man, Muse — the…

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