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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by whimblepop »

rain_iwakura wrote: post #123
paxys wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is $5/day irrelevant? In the $150/mo range you can get effectively unlimited usage of GPT 5.6 Sol (Pro plan). Why use a much weaker model for the same price?

not at all true. if you're truly using it across the board for smaller things (translation of pages, filtering of every individual tweet based on its relevance to you etc), the costs ramp up super quickly. i used for work where i did less and it quickly reaches thousands if you're not careful. i can already see what some will say: skill issue et cetera - whatever.

I thought it went without saying that GPT 5.6 Sol is the wrong model to use for things like filtering tweets. Apparently not?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by fallingbananna »

antirez wrote: post #11

Price is not a good meter. Active parameters per token are. Joule would be even better.

What if we used 100% of the brain all the time?

As an end consumer, I don't care about the number of active parameters. I really do care only about the tracked metric (how well does it do the job, and how much does it cost... ideally also with time included, but that wouldn't fit on a 2D chart)

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by _aavaa_ »

paxys wrote: post #118
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

How is $5/day irrelevant? In the $150/mo range you can get effectively unlimited usage of GPT 5.6 Sol (Pro plan). Why use a much weaker model for the same price?

I really doubt that the either of the pro plans are subsidized heavily enough to support you swapping v4Flash for Terra, much less Sol.

$5/days is ~330 Mtok/day, that’s a nontrivial amount of work, and none of the gpts are more efficient than deepseek at $/task if deepseek meets your quality bar.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by apitman »

ms8 wrote: post #34
Aeolun wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But DeepSeek now has a warning they’re going to sharply increase their API pricing sometime in the future.

Yes, there is warning, but also there are many providers on OpenRouter[0], hosting open weight model with similar pricing. The question is Will they go up as well? [0] https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731#provid...

DeepSeek has far cheaper cache pricing. That's the difference.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by re-thc »

paxys wrote: post #118
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

How is $5/day irrelevant? In the $150/mo range you can get effectively unlimited usage of GPT 5.6 Sol (Pro plan). Why use a much weaker model for the same price?

> In the $150/mo range you can get effectively unlimited usage of GPT 5.6 Sol (Pro plan)

Not true. Sol on XHigh or Max runs out even on the $200/mo plan. It's not close to effectively unlimited. Maybe at 2x the current allowance it can.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by apitman »

_s_a_m_ wrote: post #93
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

These posts have to be Chinese bots, these models are all trash. Used it via OpenCode for an hour, cost me one hour of my life. It is for anything complete trash.

I've found it to be pretty good so far.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by NoboruWataya »

My Claude account was banned the other day. The only possible cause I can think of is that I tried to authenticate from the AI assistant in a JetBrains IDE and, not thinking, entered the details for my regular subscription rather than an API account. As soon as it became apparent that I needed an API account rather than a subscription, I just closed out of the tab. Nevertheless, about 20 minutes later I got an email saying my account was banned for a violation of the usage policy, and my appeal was rejected.

My initial thought was to sign up for ChatGPT, but I had $20 in OpenRouter so I've been trying out DeepSeek V4 Pro with Pi for the last few days and I gotta say, it's good enough for my use case. And even with paying for API usage rather than Claude's subsidised subscription, and with OpenRouter taking their cut, I will probably end up paying significantly less overall. And I really like the flexibility of being able to use whatever minimalist open source harness I want (and being able to switch providers easily, too).

(My demands probably aren't as high as many others' - I mostly use it for help with some hobbyist coding projects, and I tend to ask it questions about how to approach problems rather than just telling it to go off and code stuff for me.)

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by ux266478 »

paxys wrote: post #118
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

How is $5/day irrelevant? In the $150/mo range you can get effectively unlimited usage of GPT 5.6 Sol (Pro plan). Why use a much weaker model for the same price?

> In the $150/mo range you can get effectively unlimited usage of GPT 5.6 Sol

With 5 active sessions going nonstop? That seems like a pretty important qualifier.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by re-thc »

LaurensBER wrote: post #21
Aeolun wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But DeepSeek now has a warning they’re going to sharply increase their API pricing sometime in the future.

Dax (from Opencode) has tweeted that they can replicate or beat the price with rented GPUs. Deepseeks secret sauce is the incredibly cheap caching (magnitude cheaper than other providers). vLLM has recently released a similar approach. It's not as effective as what DeepSeek does but still an interesting development. I have no doubt that in due time other providers will match or perhaps even beat the current DeepSeek…

> they can replicate or beat the price with rented GPUs

They "can" is the caveat here. Rented GPUs are going up in pricing. I recently got an email that DigitalOcean pricing of GPUs were going up.

So

1. They have to get a hold of them (availability is bad)

2. They have to maintain the pricing

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