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Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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> the architecture uses large aluminum unicastings to incorporate more than 100 parts that would otherwise be separate They may have learned a few tricks from those teardowns of BYDs.

that started with another US car manufacturer, tesla.

(although tesla had casting hiccups with the suspension components of the model x)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giga_Press

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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> the architecture uses large aluminum unicastings to incorporate more than 100 parts that would otherwise be separate They may have learned a few tricks from those teardowns of BYDs.

I honestly think unicastings are a horrible idea. BYD for most of its flagship vehicles do not use unicasting. I think unicasting should be reserved for the cheapest of vehicles in which an accident means the vehicle is recycled rather than unsafely repaired.

You can weld and glue aluminum, nothing unsafe about it as long as you cut out the damaged part.

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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I'd pick a $5k cheaper, analog Slate instead for not having to deal with Ford's post-sales ads, subscriptions, and DRM.

I’d buy a Slate above this even if the Ford was cheaper, specifically for those same reasons.

Remember that vizio makes more money from "processing" your data than from the tv itself.

I think we need car-based ad blockers.

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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For what it’s worth, I absolutely love my f-150 lightning. I just wish we had 1 MW charging like the Chinese do.

I’d be happy to get the advertised charge speeds on my Equinox. The number of times I use a charging station that delivers ~120kW at most is maddening. And it’s this kind of thing that stops mass adoption. When you fuel an ICE car, the pump just delivers fuel and that’s that. The price of fuel is prominently advertised and the experience is the same no matter the station. Charging on the other hand is an exercise in…

It heavily depends on what kind of driving you do. I would say 97% of my driving is local and home charging works perfectly while being 10x cheaper than an equivalent gas vehicle. For the 3% of the time that I do long trips I might have charging issues but frankly it hasn’t been a nightmare, just waiting a little longer at some charging stations.

Once or twice over the last four years, I’ve driven to an Electric America charging station to find that it is being renovated and I only have 30 miles of range left and next closest charging station is 50 miles away. That has mostly been resolved since Tesla chargers became available to Ford vehicles.

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d buy a Slate above this even if the Ford was cheaper, specifically for those same reasons.

Remember that vizio makes more money from "processing" your data than from the tv itself. I think we need car-based ad blockers.

Perhaps the way forward is an independent shop service to disable the onboard cellular modem(s) such that they cannot dial-home to load anything new. (It would likely disable the concierge and emergency services features too.) Similar to how there are/were alarm/stereo installation services.

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d be happy to get the advertised charge speeds on my Equinox. The number of times I use a charging station that delivers ~120kW at most is maddening. And it’s this kind of thing that stops mass adoption. When you fuel an ICE car, the pump just delivers fuel and that’s that. The price of fuel is prominently advertised and the experience is the same no matter the station. Charging on the other hand is an exercise in…

It heavily depends on what kind of driving you do. I would say 97% of my driving is local and home charging works perfectly while being 10x cheaper than an equivalent gas vehicle. For the 3% of the time that I do long trips I might have charging issues but frankly it hasn’t been a nightmare, just waiting a little longer at some charging stations. Once or twice over the last four years, I’ve driven to an Electric Amer…

Yes, totally agree—I love the car and for nearly all of my driving it’s great. It’s just that the residual of long drives is more of an issue than some say because of how inconsistent the experience is. For someone my parents age, for whom things not working as expected is more befuddling and aggravating than for me, I just don’t think it’s tolerable (and they do many more road trips in retirement anyway).

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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Imagine buying a new EV that can't drive itself. What a waste of money

Disagree, I rather not subsidize that. I also don't really get why it has to be an EV, can't a self driving car just as easily be gas powered?

Self-driving usually intersects with EV's simply for the fact that EV's are a newer idea, and self-driving can't (sadly) be really well currently added to existing cars. Comma.ai isn't really on the track to compete.

Those that are in market for an ICE car have an order of magnitude larger used car market available for them. You can get a car from the year 2000 and drive it no problem.

If you are looking at a car that's the best worth for your money, while "subsidizing" better future tech that will directly save lives, if the latter is an added negative for you, well that's just misanthropy.

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