The gargantuan lie that is collapsing the climate is that we told ourselves nuclear is deadly dangerous, but coal & gas are merely "dirty".
The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate
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Re: The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least I am falling to the best kind of propaganda. While the other side, who does not apparently even believe they're "thinking on their own", is falling to a much poorer one...
And nobody learned a thing.
At least there is some hope for that for the side who believes they can think.
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#163I wondered where this article got the idea that "half the planet" would die "in 26 years or less" with 3°C of warming. It appears to be a misreading of the table in https://actuaries.org.uk/media/ni4erlna/planetary-solvency.p... "Figure 12: Planetary solvency risk impact and likelihood definitions (illustrative)" qualified by "A risk impact matrix is a methodology for ranking potential impacts, not a prediction or ce…
The report does include a >50% human mortality extreme category and the author of the article is referring to a separate report suggesting 3°C is much more likely than expected. I think it's pretty reasonable to think that an extreme climate would cause extreme mortality. The report is pretty confusing to digest. But because you think that particular consequence is overstated in the article, you're suggesting that th…
> I think it's pretty reasonable to think that an extreme climate would cause extreme mortality.
No, it's not reasonable. They're using the same label, but there's no evidence showing that.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
CO2 capture and planetary albedo management are going to be the only way. For cO2 capture to be meaningful, we need to increase our planetary energy production by 2 or 3x so we can put that energy into sequestration, and obviously those gains cannot be based on fossil fuels. Albedo management is much faster to roll out, but will have a lot of pushback because it will also create locally undesirable outcomes. The tipp…
Just in case if not aware yet: read Termination Shock, a Novel by Neal Stephenson
Ministry for the Future is, in my view, much better.
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> so that in the future when the shit really hits the fan we have enough energy and assistance from AI to create a scalable technology to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere proactively. > In my view there is no credible future in which the world will become carbon neutral in 1 or even 10 years. It just ain't happening. So we're going to skip becoming carbon neutral and go straight to carbon negative, because...magic, I g…
> So we're going to skip becoming carbon neutral and go straight to carbon negative Yes, when the effects on the environments are so bad that there can be no denying anymore because they affect everyday life of almost all people. I am not saying this is a good option. I am saying that I don't see an alternative to get a world wide mobilization. Do you see China and the US becoming carbon neutral in the next 10 year?…
> Yes, when the effects on the environments are so bad that there can be no denying anymore because they affect everyday life of almost all people.
I can't reconcile 2 things here. The effects will be so bad, but at the same time we will have energy abundance to go beyond carbon neutral and carbon negative. Have you ever lived in a country with famine or where energy/water is only available for few hours a day?
Do you think such country has a capability to have energy abundance for carbon storage.
> The annoying "magic" dig was unnecessary.
I'll decide what's necessary in my comments, thank you very much. Unless you want to get responses like "your entire comment wasn't necessary", to which I will not stoop to.
> With (clean) energy abundance you can indeed capture enough CO2 to make a world wide impact.
I've yet to see how that is possible from your comment. Maybe it is "annoying" to you to provide some arguments, but that's how discussions work between adults.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the 90s it was something to deal with later. Now that it's something to deal with right now, of course they won't cover it. In a few decades they'll cover it again, but only to say how it's too late now. Another factor is that rich oil and gas people figured out they could just buy the media.
> Another factor is that rich oil and gas people figured out they could just buy the media. Who is this "media"? Is this the same "media" that Trump and his dullards claim is so corrupt and contrary to The Truth? Are you influenced by this "media"? I don't read The Guardian or Jacobin, but I'm occasionally exposed to their headlines and they are certainly reporting on climate change. Are they part of the "media"? The…
the "media" means "the media that the majority of the people consume" -- that is most certainly not the Jacobin, or even the Guardian
in the US, it's Fox "News", and the other big networks - NBC, CBS, ABC, to a letter extent CNN, NYT, WaPo
look up the ownership of those networks. why do you think the Ellisons and Trump are trying so hard to get Paramount to take over Warner Bros after it already took over SkyDance?
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The amount[...] that industries pollute" is just "personal changes" with more steps.
Personal changes against the grain or personal changes following the grain. Imagine I want to be responsible by drinking soy milk but it's hidden in a corner of the supermarket. Now imagine every supermarket prominently displays soy milk and cow milk is hidden in the corner. Seems easier to make the change, right? Many people will change automatically because they don't really care and just do what's easiest.
I wish the soy one were hidden on a corner on my local supermarket. There isn't even one anymore in my country, and that's the biggest soybean producer in the world.
Other plant milks are 3x the price of the cow one because of economies of scale and subsidies. It's all a big joke.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personal changes against the grain or personal changes following the grain. Imagine I want to be responsible by drinking soy milk but it's hidden in a corner of the supermarket. Now imagine every supermarket prominently displays soy milk and cow milk is hidden in the corner. Seems easier to make the change, right? Many people will change automatically because they don't really care and just do what's easiest.
I wish the soy one were hidden on a corner on my local supermarket. There isn't even one anymore in my country, and that's the biggest soybean producer in the world. Other plant milks are 3x the price of the cow one because of economies of scale and subsidies. It's all a big joke.
In some countries they're not allowed to call it "soy milk" which is a big joke. I understand why you can't call it "milk of the soy variety" but nouns with adjectives can, in fact, refer to things the adjective-less noun doesn't refer to.
So the soy yoghurt in Germany is called Alpro - the brand name. The dairy industry even fucked themselves over, because even their real yoghurt doesn't meet the strict definition and has to be called "mild yoghurt" instead.
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But not equally.
In some cases it might be and others it might not. In many cases that's going to be extremely hard to measure and equality might not even be desirable.
And in other cases, it's extremely bad for the consumers. See: enshittification due the lack of good regulations, https://pluralistic.net/2025/02/26/ursula-franklin/