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It's AI-native Microsoft SharePoint
As those are heavily vying to be the three worst things in IT, I'll pass. Thanks for the warning!
Ok but what if I told you it's also serverless?
Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work
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Re: Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work
#362I just deployed it on my cloudflare workers, it went live in a minute, worked through my CF Access SSO. Wasn't able to configure providers easily. But reading the blog this is wild! I have been driving a hermes agent off a VM in a proxmox from my slack and wondering how to handle security. If this takes off, this is really how enterprise agents should end up looking like. The dynamic workers hosting applications is t…
Why not deploy cloudflare-os on proxmox?
We have an alternative for Cloudflare OS running on k8s. Next release is also including external services concept, which is already developed before Cloudflare OS was released.
Re: Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work
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From the GitHub page: This is not a traditional computer operating system. We use the term "operating system" in two senses: - An operating system for the company to be productive with AI, in a way that is safe, so that the security team can sleep at night. - An operating system for AI workloads, analogous to the sense in which a traditional operating system manages compute workloads.
It looks to me like they just wanted to distinguish their product from other AI agents/sandboxes, so they called it an OS to make it sound bigger and better.
Nah, it's just the current lingo in the AI world. Another one they will use is "brain." As far as I can tell "brain" and "OS" are interchangeable. :(
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No, I disagree with everything you are saying here. You have a very misguided opinion of what an OS is. You linked the wikipedia page which clearly says OSes are defined by managing resources and have an always running kernel. LLMs do not meet either of these points. > You seemed to miss the cloud computing point You seem to misunderstand how VMs work. They are not OSes running on top of OSes, they are multiple OSes…
Are we reading the same Wikipedia page? > An operating system is difficult to define,[7] but has been called "the layer of software that manages a computer's resources for its users and their applications".[8] Operating systems include the software that is always running, called a kernel—but can include other software as well.[7][9] The two other types of programs that can run on a computer are system programs—which…
Yes we are reading the same page, except you seem to be cherry picking comments and missing the main broader picture:
There are three main purposes that an operating system fulfills:
Operating systems allocate resources between different applications, deciding when they will receive central processing unit (CPU) time or space in memory.
Operating systems provide an interface that abstracts the details of hardware access
Operating systems provide common services, such as an interface for accessing network and disk devices.
LLMs will can not and will not ever do these things, and your idea that an OS will become a tiny thing like a BIOS is completely wrong.
If these things were true, an OS wouldnt need a BIOS by now, they would have merged into the same thing long ago. But they havent because they are distinct layers which require certain functionality performed before handing off to the next layer. This is why an LLM will never be an OS, and will always be an app that an OS hands off to.
Re: Cloudflare OS: an open platform for agents, apps, and work
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Are we reading the same Wikipedia page? > An operating system is difficult to define,[7] but has been called "the layer of software that manages a computer's resources for its users and their applications".[8] Operating systems include the software that is always running, called a kernel—but can include other software as well.[7][9] The two other types of programs that can run on a computer are system programs—which…
Yes we are reading the same page, except you seem to be cherry picking comments and missing the main broader picture: There are three main purposes that an operating system fulfills: Operating systems allocate resources between different applications, deciding when they will receive central processing unit (CPU) time or space in memory. Operating systems provide an interface that abstracts the details of hardware acc…
Not cherry-picking, I quoted the entire first paragraph of the section titled "Definition and purpose."
> LLMs will can not and will not ever do these things
Once again, I am not claiming LLMs would replace an OS. This is a non sequitor, and I'm confused why you expect me to defend it.
Once again, I ask: Do you agree that Windows 11 is an OS? Android? UEFI? ChromeOS? At what point do they stop being an OS?
Language is fluid, evolves over time, and means different things to different people. To most people, an "operating system" refers to more than just the kernel. It refers to the entire system stack that defines how they interact with the computer (i.e. hardware and networking), how it manages resources (e.g. CPU and GPU time, memory), how they load software onto it (e.g. packages, APKs, .apps or MCP), and how that software is granted permissions to those resources (compare iOS/macOS/Android permission models to what people might want their LLMs to do), etc.
I expect to see a lot of changes in this area as a result of LLMs becoming more prominent in how people interact with computers. This is what I mean by an "Agent OS" - not an LLM replacing the kernel. That is clearly an absurd premise.