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U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

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Re: U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

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Are they ever revised higher? I'll wait...

No wait required; click the link I gave and you'll see the answer is "yes, definitely". Anything over the zero mark on the Y axis is an upwards revision.

I did, You do not know how to read a graph. That line through the middel is just showing the trend of jobs numbers.

Still waiting. Just find me one article that says "Last months BLS jobs were revised higher".

Re: U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

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post #68

Meanwhile, Canada adds 75k jobs in the same month. > Gains were focused on the private sector, with strength in wholesale and retail trade, finance and insurance, and professional and scientific services. Public sector jobs fell by 14,500 amid an official bid to cut government spending. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/economy/article-can...

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Re: U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

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No one with at least two brain cells to rub together thought the tariffs was going to make anything better.

I suspect that even his proponents knew better, they just didn't care as much about the economy as they did culture wars nonsense and religious woo-woo.

To be fair, a plurality of voters care more about the culture war than the economy as well.

Re: U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

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As a data scientist it is very frustrating to see a consistent lack of error bars on these numbers or any discussion about the magnitude of uncertainty around them by all news reports every time these numbers get released

If honest, the error bars would be so large as to make drawing conclusions from these numbers seem pointless. Certainly, both jobs growth and jobs loss are within the CI.

What's actually being tracked by people using this data is the delta from previous years -- which, conditioning on the same collection methodology etc -- is more reliable.

The actionable piece of info is sign(delta)

Re: U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

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post #62

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect Any sector that's resistant to productivity growth is liable to become bigger and bigger part of the economy.

I've seen on youtube how people said a major reason housing is a big employer and housing has not fallen in price is due to their industry's attitude and resistance to introducing technological advancements. in fairness also regulation makes it hard when it specificies the solutions not the parameters (just to illustrate the idea not an actual rule: you must have X thickness of PVC versus your pipe must withstand X p…

Demonstrating the waste of time that 99.9% of Youtube videos offer. Construction has seen tremendous technological advances, from materials to tools, even down to software that monitors workplace events.

All of these have led to conditions where it is expected for an entire house to go from start to finish in 100 days. A house with very high standards of plumbing, electrical, hvac, insulation, and other essentials compared to previous generations.

Re: U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

#146

govt is resetting the baseline now, so we will see some good numbers in November. it's all about optics for mid term.

The 2026 midterm election date is November 3rd, the jobs numbers are released on the first Friday of the month, November 6th. Intentionally trending numbers down in August, with only two more jobs reports before the election, would be risky (and stupid, and extremely unlikely). The Trump Administration just doesn't look ahead like that either, they live in the perpetual now.

Re: U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

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post #68

Meanwhile, Canada adds 75k jobs in the same month. > Gains were focused on the private sector, with strength in wholesale and retail trade, finance and insurance, and professional and scientific services. Public sector jobs fell by 14,500 amid an official bid to cut government spending. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/economy/article-can...

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Re: U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

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So perhaps we'll never get to a better healthcare+insurance market (nee "Free") through government, but eventually we will just all work in healthcare, and barter our nursing and dental skills in secret away from the insurance coders.

There will never be a better healthcare because the true cost of fixing a body more often than not far exceeds the value that body produces. People run to dismiss this with "well we need a different system then", but the problem is a fundamental one on par with "eating your cake and having it too". The only way to get as close as possible to "good" healthcare is to have enough money to pay for everything out of pocke…

Redundancy is robustness is expensive.

Re: U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

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post #141

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No wait required; click the link I gave and you'll see the answer is "yes, definitely". Anything over the zero mark on the Y axis is an upwards revision.

I did, You do not know how to read a graph. That line through the middel is just showing the trend of jobs numbers. Still waiting. Just find me one article that says "Last months BLS jobs were revised higher".

The title of the chart is "Nonfarm Payroll Employment Percent Revisions", with subheading indicating the statistic shown is the final number minus the first released number. The trendline shows the magnitude of the revisions decreasing over time; i.e. that the predictions get more accurate.

For a concrete example, as you request: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/05/jobs-report-may-2026.html

> In addition to the strong jobs numbers for May, revisions for prior months also presented an even better picture. The April tally represented an upward revision of 64,000, while March got a boost up to 214,000, a gain of 29,000.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/06/business/economy/trump-jo...

> What has been unusual during the early months of Mr. Trump’s term is that the revisions have been consistently in the same direction: down.

You do not know how to read a graph, it seems.

Re: U.S. economy lost 23,000 jobs in July, a sudden reversal

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post #91

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It's not just boomers (though they are the biggest part of it). Americans of all ages are spending more on healthcare, and seeking more healthcare interventions than in previous decades.

This isn’t surprising. The population overall is aging. Millenials are now the largest cohort and are approaching middle age. Until recently we’ve seen the number of insured individuals rise consistently and our medicine continues to advance. More older adults have access and need more healthcare

Just as an anecdote, I’m an older Millennial (1982) and since my late 30s I’ve been spending my HDHP cap in health services that my parents wouldn’t have bothered with, such as allergy shots and niche diagnostic blood tests based on the latest science, some of which have been covered here such as HSCRP. I’ve also had LASIK and had laser skin treatments done. I’m not a health nut, I just realized I don’t have to look and feel like crap in my 40s like my progenitors.
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