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Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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Bad times for the two-space copying garbage collectors.

Are there any of those left? The popular VMs for Java, Javascript and dotnet are all very mature heavily tuned designs.

My benchmark:

1) .net app, one text field, one button; private bytes 22mb, working set 27mb

2) native app, two text fields, three buttons; private bytes 1.2mb, working set 7.3mb

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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This is why I'm so hesitant to use AI. There are other reasons (for example: the journey is the fun part, not the destination; and I want to learn not have something done for me), but the pressure AI puts on memory and storage is too much for me. I do use it occasionally, mostly to keep tabs on it and for small problem solving (how do I do this one piece of a query in MySQL, since I'm not a MySQL DBA), but that's it for now, until this memory/storage issue is fixed.

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AI companies would do well to realize that civil disobedience is a thing. Take what's currently happening to Flock cameras as an object lesson. People are so fed up with Flock that they're cutting their cameras down en masse, sometimes wiping them clean from entire jurisdictions. Tens of thousands of other people in those jurisdictions are cheering them on, even offering alibis for them before they've been caught. La…

That's a really great point. So much about our world is about perception. I think the datacenter concern is overblown for the most part (except putting them next to houses), but the perception is stronger than the facts.

And if AI is putting people out of jobs and making everything expensive - or that's just the perception - that's gonna set AI back for years.

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AI companies would do well to realize that civil disobedience is a thing. Take what's currently happening to Flock cameras as an object lesson. People are so fed up with Flock that they're cutting their cameras down en masse, sometimes wiping them clean from entire jurisdictions. Tens of thousands of other people in those jurisdictions are cheering them on, even offering alibis for them before they've been caught. La…

Except nobody knows where the AI data centers are actually located.

It doesn't matter. The perception is all datacenters do AI (not necessarily wrong nowadays either) and that's all that matters to the public when they see so many lost jobs and high computer / phone prices.

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can u provide some context? what is this trying to solve and how does it solve it? very curious.

Its a way to make sure the delivery takes place. A code is sent to recipient and recipient only gives it to the delivery person once item is handed over. Delivery person cant mark item as 'done' without the code. I've seen Uber Eats do the same thing sometimes.

Wow that's actually a really good idea to prevent delivery theft by the delivery person!

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Note to the momentarily shocked: this is in Canadian dollars.

It's not just currency, Amazon Canada have some jumps recently not in US version: https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/

Holy moly that's just unbelievable when shown in graph form.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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All those devs who were saying "ram is cheap" BTFO.

https://dam.stanford.edu/memory-prices.html Pretty sure those devs were saying the same thing way before 2017 as well, which seems to be ~ the last time RAM was this expensive. Now RAM in the cloud , now you're really paying the Java premium.

Price per GiB is skewed by definition. 10 Years ago, 8GiB was enough and cost between $10 and $20. For the longest time this century, a cheap build was in the $250 to $350 range. Nowadays I'm having trouble with that price range building from used parts.

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Are there any of those left? The popular VMs for Java, Javascript and dotnet are all very mature heavily tuned designs.

My benchmark: 1) .net app, one text field, one button; private bytes 22mb, working set 27mb 2) native app, two text fields, three buttons; private bytes 1.2mb, working set 7.3mb

3) electron, about:blank, 1.2GiB

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

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This is why I'm so hesitant to use AI. There are other reasons (for example: the journey is the fun part, not the destination; and I want to learn not have something done for me), but the pressure AI puts on memory and storage is too much for me. I do use it occasionally, mostly to keep tabs on it and for small problem solving (how do I do this one piece of a query in MySQL, since I'm not a MySQL DBA), but that's it…

Unfortunately, I can't not use AI because it provides the best speech recognition I've ever used and, going along with hand problems, it now allows me to write code after a three-year absence from that skill. I do miss it. I'd never do it again professionally in the large, but I have missed writing code a lot.

My solution is to see what four or five-year-old equipment I can buy that will let me run local LLMs. I may only get six or seven tokens per second out of an i7, but it's a start. And best of all, I can turn the machine off when I'm not using it.

IMO, Migrating to small-scale local LLMs would be a significant improvement over using data centers.

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Except nobody knows where the AI data centers are actually located.

It doesn't matter. The perception is all datacenters do AI (not necessarily wrong nowadays either) and that's all that matters to the public when they see so many lost jobs and high computer / phone prices.

And how does the public know there is a datacenter inside a random building?
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