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São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

#91
post #43

This is so important, especially in São Paulo. This city has 100000 homeless people living there. Imagine the population of a medium-sized city living with no roof over their head in a city with a population 100x that big.

Why hasn't the government had them killed, like most cities do?

Sorry, what?

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

#92

It's the asymmetry at play. It takes a few minutes to fell a tree. While it takes decades to grow. To grow an actually fully grown 100 year old tree is a multigenerational project. How could you foster such things? There's always short-sighted people and generations, it's close to impossible to make this happen. I've seen it personally when relatives have felled century old yard trees planted by our ancestors, for no…

Trees don't live forever. A fully grown cottonwood tree (I'm picking on example I know of, others are similar, but different in details) at 100 years old is impressive, but that is near the typical lifespan and so at 120 years old that tree is dead of old age (in ideal conditions they live to 400 years, but 100 years is above average in nature). Forests are a constant cycle of new trees growing.

Forest fires are a very important part of the forest cycle in many places. So be careful about funding efforts to fight forest fires - often the correct answer is to light more of them (see a forester for details of your local forest).

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

#93
post #47

Obsessive fanaticism is the key to a life not wasted.

But you can't just trick yourself into obsessively fanaticising something random just so you won't feel your life is wasted.

This reminded the movie Ikiru (いきる), basically a elder discovered he will die and after some time he finds a purpose to its meaningless life, transform a wasteland into a playground.

All these stories have one thing in common: be obsessed with something that will improve other people's life.

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

#94
post #36

It feels great to see this kind of story. We're all suffering from this (false) idea that we can't do anything, things are too bad, somebody else has done it before, or somebody else will do it. The fact is, humanity is pulled forward by people like this, who find their goal and don't let it go. We need this right now, we're stepping into a pretty dark century, we're probably going to lose millions or billions of peo…

Go plant an oak tree. Not in theory, not a big plan for a monumental effort, just plant an oak tree. They survive for many lives of men and are a cornerstone for feeding the entire ecosystem. If you can't plant one where you're supposed to, plant one where you're not. It takes an afternoon not a lifetime.

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

#96
post #92

It's the asymmetry at play. It takes a few minutes to fell a tree. While it takes decades to grow. To grow an actually fully grown 100 year old tree is a multigenerational project. How could you foster such things? There's always short-sighted people and generations, it's close to impossible to make this happen. I've seen it personally when relatives have felled century old yard trees planted by our ancestors, for no…

Trees don't live forever. A fully grown cottonwood tree (I'm picking on example I know of, others are similar, but different in details) at 100 years old is impressive, but that is near the typical lifespan and so at 120 years old that tree is dead of old age (in ideal conditions they live to 400 years, but 100 years is above average in nature). Forests are a constant cycle of new trees growing. Forest fires are a ve…

Sure. Many pines can survive forest fires. But some other trees don't or are short lived anyway. I never suggested trees live forever. But 100 years is not a long time for many.

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

#97
post #87

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It's a skatepark, skateparks have graffiti, it's art live with it

No, entropy is a choice: https://www.timeout.com/tokyo/sport-and-fitness/hlna-skygard...

That sea of undecorated concrete sure is ugly. I'll take the painted skate park in Sao Paulo. Different strokes...

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

#98
post #89

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Eh, if anything, "human built drab concrete environments" is exactly what graffiti should cover and be used to fight, add a bit of color to life. Don't like it? Don't make it so boring and dull in the first place. People who graffiti trees, stones and other natural elements are fucking cunts though, ruining nature's art with their shitty tags, that's really horrible behavior.

Lots of people like the clean, subdued aesthetic. If they wanted "color" that's what they'd build. It's not for taggers to decide how much or little "color" a city should have.

> Lots of people like the clean, subdued aesthetic

And lots of people feels like it's a oppressive aesthetic. Not sure I've ever heard the concrete jungles of a city called "clean and subdued aesthetic", so cheers for this new perspective! The very same counter-culture that likes to color things, is also partly about breaking the rules, so here we are :)

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

#99

I often speak to people online who look at society and want to tear it down and start again. I've never understood that attitude. Growth out of decay takes work, but it takes considerably less work than accelerated decay and then trying to start again when there is nothing fertile left to build on. I like this article because it demonstrates that there is always fertile land and opportunities where people are not loo…

> Growth out of decay takes work, but it takes considerably less work than accelerated decay and then trying to start again when there is nothing fertile left to build on.

Indeed. This is why conservation of habitats (however small, or degraded) makes more sense than trying to restore already-destroyed areas.

That said: if I could pick an area to work on for myself, I'd go for a stretch of wasteland. Why? Because the before-after difference would be more stark (read: more satisfying). And heavily degraded lands are in muuuch bigger supply than little-degraded areas.

More important would be a general willingness of the locals to not interfere with restauration efforts.

> I like this article because it demonstrates that there is always fertile land and opportunities where people are not looking.

Stronger: "fertile" isn't strictly needed. Fertile soil can be built - if necessary, starting from 'scratch' (yes it does take time). Basically: grow stuff (anything is better than nothing), mulch (bio-waste is free), keep doing so, and whatever soil you started with, will improve over time.

As the soil improves, plants grow better & other life returns.

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

#100

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I'm very interested in "seed bombs". We have to plant something like one trillion trees just to keep up with losses from forest fires. Imagine the economics, supply chain, science, innovation, etc required to plant one trillion trees and all their supporting shrubs and ground cover. My impression is they work well enough for flowers. I have no idea about shrubs or ground cover. I'm aware there's some efforts to seed…

Probably the toughest part of "reforestation" like that isn't the "planting of trees" process, but you have to actively monitor them and make sure they actually work out and survive. A bit amount of these enormous "plant trees over large areas" efforts fail simply because they didn't even come back once to actually maintain the plants until they're strong enough to actually form a ecosystem. So sure, just planting on…

Absolutely. And those failures sour support for further efforts. Vicious cycle.

Reforesting (rewilding) is farming and gardening. Proactive ecological management. Per "You broke it, you bought it." We are recreating forests. In my area, we have to restart the forest life cycle. The correct plants in the correct order in the correct habitat. If we leave it to "nature", the blackberries and alder would choke off everything else.

Plus, there's ever more evidence that humans have long reshaped (managed) ecosystems. Like the controlled burns the indigeous people of America did. On a contintal scale!

Terrific share, thanks. Will binge soonest.

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