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Radical Study Suggests Life on Earth Arose Twice

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Re: Radical Study Suggests Life on Earth Arose Twice

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Could you go into why you consider the existence of an invisible (all powerful? Depends which god you mean, you didn't say) being that happens to concern itself with life on Sol's third planet, to be less absurd than what you describe?

Or is that the joke and I'm missing it?

Re: Radical Study Suggests Life on Earth Arose Twice

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Clickbait headline.

Should be "Life left mineral substrate at least twice" or some such. The research is interesting, but they're playing word games in the telling of it by saying the most recent common ancestor of all life wasn't alive (because it was dependent on a mineral surface), but two of it's children gave rise to lineages that were.

Re: Radical Study Suggests Life on Earth Arose Twice

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Origin of life on earth is not very interesting to me. Origin of life in the universe is where it is at...

Until we get any tangible proof of life outside Earth, there is no difference

Actually I don't think there is life outside of Earth. I think we are truly alone in this universe.

Re: Radical Study Suggests Life on Earth Arose Twice

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The metabolic science is really cool. The conclusion that life arose twice requires you to buy that proto-cells that grew on these vents and needed those metallic surfaces to survive didn’t count as “life”. Then, free living cells, bacteria and archea, could maybe be argued as having independent paths as they plugged the gaps in their metabolism independently. Same DNA/RNA, same proteins. Same broad rules of metabolism. Just some alternate paths through chemical space to plug in the metabolic gaps and get free from metal surfaces.

To me, these are clearly not independent paths, but rather the branching of proto-life into two of the great kingdoms of life. It’s a stretch to call this two origins rather than a branching.

Then a couple billion years later, one of em ate the other, and rather than destroy it, they both started a symbiotic relationship, and we were off to the eukaryotic race. This is all the same web of life. Not two independent streams.

Re: Radical Study Suggests Life on Earth Arose Twice

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unfortunately the field of abiogenesis, just like extraterrestrial life, is a lost cause. The reality we will never be able to replicate creation of life nor find life on other planets (except via contamination). it's why we've never gotten any closer. and i'm not even religious

Likely we don't need to replicate. We just need to get a sample of life with completely independent origin to our kind of life here on Earth, to study. This way we would be able to separate what are universal properties for any life from historical contingencies specific to us. To have samples of a single kind of life complicates things.

Re: Radical Study Suggests Life on Earth Arose Twice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a big universe and there are a lot of years, so chemical evolution seems like a decent tool for God to use. Much like General Relativity is a more efficient way to rule the world than assigning angels to push the planets thru the sky. And a passing familiarity with birth defects will prove to most hard hearted people that each specific fact of biology is not designed by a loving creator. Unless you believe this…

I'm not a biblical scholar, but I think the "loving creator" thing was invented by people and not necessarily in the Bible. I'm pretty sure Old Testament God is pretty vengeful. Theistic Evolution is wide-enough belief, especially with Protestants.

It is definitely in the Bible. Cynically, God seems to swing wildly between mercy and vengeance, but it's clear he would feel justified in a lot more vengeance than he takes but doesn't because he loves people. Less cynically, he's planning for Jesus and salvation the whole time, and sorta trying to keep the evil from getting out of hand with the occasional smiting. You can make the logic work if you want to.

Re: Radical Study Suggests Life on Earth Arose Twice

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Origin of life on earth is not very interesting to me. Origin of life in the universe is where it is at...

Until we get any tangible proof of life outside Earth, there is no difference

There is likely simple basic life as advanced as bacteria around the universe

But high level life was likely a series of complex accidents that is not reproducible or would be radically different than us

One of my absolute favorite PBS Space Time on the subject

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abvzkSJEhKk

Re: Radical Study Suggests Life on Earth Arose Twice

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The link the site points to seems like a better source (no ads, cites DOI etc, affiliated with AAAS rather than random aggregator website): https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1138775

Nice. This part was especially interesting:

> “When we react phosphite, a form of phosphorus that naturally occurs in hydrothermal vents, with organic compounds, we get metabolic phosphorylation reactions overnight in water. Phosphite and palladium replace ATP and enzymes; it’s amazing, and it makes early evolution a lot easier to grasp” says Schlikker.

As far as I know, there are no palladium enzymes ... checks ... ok, no _natural_ ones (that we know of). Which is interesting, as other enzymes in metabolism that use metals seem to have 'adopted' the metal(s) as a cofactor - like nickel, iron, molybdenum, even vanadium in at least one case.

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