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Generative "AI": The Guitar Hero of Creativity

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Re: Generative "AI": The Guitar Hero of Creativity

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not saying playing Guitar Hero is worthless. He's saying it won't teach you guitar, which is 100% true

So, given this is all obvious, the article is basically saying nothing.

I don't know how to tell you this, but the article isn't really about Guitar Hero

Re: Generative "AI": The Guitar Hero of Creativity

#22
post #9

This seems disingenuous. I can ask a generative AI "explain this ternary operator to me" or "walk me through why this causes a race condition" I cannot ask the video game why my real guitar is out of tune, or diagnose why I'm holding the fret wrong.

None of that has anything to do with creativity, which is what the post is about.

Re: Generative "AI": The Guitar Hero of Creativity

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"But, like Guitar Hero, no outside creative skill has been acquired or developed." Spoken like someone who never actually played the games. GH developed my interest in music as a kid, and Rock Band actually taught me how to drum in real life. It also garnered my interest in picking up and learning real guitar. Those who forget that Rock Band not only a) existed and b) did everything GH did but a thousand times better…

The point being made isn't that it cannot inspire someone to then go on to learn but that mastery of the game alone does not convey creative skill. Of course someone can be inspired to go out and learn the skill being modeled but use of the model doesn't teach the skill even if it might make someone really excited to go learn.

Re: Generative "AI": The Guitar Hero of Creativity

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"But, like Guitar Hero, no outside creative skill has been acquired or developed." Spoken like someone who never actually played the games. GH developed my interest in music as a kid, and Rock Band actually taught me how to drum in real life. It also garnered my interest in picking up and learning real guitar. Those who forget that Rock Band not only a) existed and b) did everything GH did but a thousand times better…

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Re: Generative "AI": The Guitar Hero of Creativity

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"But, like Guitar Hero, no outside creative skill has been acquired or developed." Spoken like someone who never actually played the games. GH developed my interest in music as a kid, and Rock Band actually taught me how to drum in real life. It also garnered my interest in picking up and learning real guitar. Those who forget that Rock Band not only a) existed and b) did everything GH did but a thousand times better…

The point being made isn't that it cannot inspire someone to then go on to learn but that mastery of the game alone does not convey creative skill. Of course someone can be inspired to go out and learn the skill being modeled but use of the model doesn't teach the skill even if it might make someone really excited to go learn.

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Re: Generative "AI": The Guitar Hero of Creativity

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post #20
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you learn to play guitar playing guitar hero? No, you didn't. You're straw manning an argument that doesn't exist in the article

Not the argument you're looking for, but I've been playing drums for over ten years now because of Rock Band. Even used the sticks that came with it on my first e-kit. The game didn't teach me how to drum, but it taught me that I had a much deeper interest in playing drums than I'd ever imagined. That led into years and years of practice and I've actually become pretty good.

And that scenario is covered in the post, in the seventh paragraph. Nowhere in it is Scalzi saying Guitar Hero can’t give you an interest to pick up the Guitar, quite the opposite. The point being made is that when you do pick up the Guitar, you’re starting to learn from scratch, your years of playing Guitar Hero don’t really give you a head-start.

Re: Generative "AI": The Guitar Hero of Creativity

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Scalzi has developed an almost religious sort of dogmatic hatred of AI. He seems to acknowledge none of the benefits, even those that are obvious. Likely because he feels it's harmful to the way he earns his living. He is rapidly coming to define himself through opposition, rather than promotion. Which is a dangerous and fruitless game. Throughout human history there has never been a still useful technology that we a…

I use AI to code review my personal projects. There's no downside - I ignore what I don't like and take the suggestions that make sense. Most of the suggestions are good and it found a ton of little bugs over time.

I think that someone who's radically opposed to any use of AI is simply a poor developer.

Re: Generative "AI": The Guitar Hero of Creativity

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“ Being a Guitar Hero player did not — and does not! — equal being a guitar player.” Has anyone ever claimed otherwise?

All of my childhood friends who bragged about being good at GH/RB only ever bragged about being good at the _games_. Never ran in to someone trying to pass it off as being able to play the guitar.
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