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Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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> the architecture uses large aluminum unicastings to incorporate more than 100 parts that would otherwise be separate They may have learned a few tricks from those teardowns of BYDs.

so what happens when something breaks? in theory this is 100 more points of failure

honest question, not sure how BYD handles this either. but BYDs are cheap enough that if you need to you get another...

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

#22

If it's about the size of a Maverick as the article suggests, that's not small at all.

The Maverick is pretty small compared to other trucks. Smaller than a Ranger, and much, much smaller than the quarter and half ton trucks.

smaller than a modern Ranger, not the original 2-seater

the modern Ranger is the same size as the old F-150

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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post #19

Ford once again getting the messaging wrong and shipping what is essentially a glorified sedan with a useless external 4 foot bed. Why do we have to keep making family-haulers for whipped dads that aren't allowed to have a two-seater? Why do we HAVE to force the entire family to go with us wherever we go? The wife already gets the lifted Expedition XLT to nearly run over little Jimmy with at the crosswalk (or as I lo…

Two seaters means you need a whole other vehicle if you have a family.

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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post #19

Ford once again getting the messaging wrong and shipping what is essentially a glorified sedan with a useless external 4 foot bed. Why do we have to keep making family-haulers for whipped dads that aren't allowed to have a two-seater? Why do we HAVE to force the entire family to go with us wherever we go? The wife already gets the lifted Expedition XLT to nearly run over little Jimmy with at the crosswalk (or as I lo…

Two seaters means you need a whole other vehicle if you have a family.

Back in my day we just threw the kids into the bed of the truck and we came out fine

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

#26

For what it’s worth, I absolutely love my f-150 lightning. I just wish we had 1 MW charging like the Chinese do.

I’d be happy to get the advertised charge speeds on my Equinox. The number of times I use a charging station that delivers ~120kW at most is maddening.

And it’s this kind of thing that stops mass adoption. When you fuel an ICE car, the pump just delivers fuel and that’s that. The price of fuel is prominently advertised and the experience is the same no matter the station.

Charging on the other hand is an exercise in frustration. Charging stations have different advertised power delivery rates; often they can’t meet those rates (is it the charging station? Is it your car? No way to know!); pricing is opaque; charging can stop seemingly at random .. and then you get levied the penalty congestion rate for using a charging station.

My parents asked me if they should get an EV. I advised a conventional hybrid. They are too old to have the patience to deal with all this.

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two seaters means you need a whole other vehicle if you have a family.

Back in my day we just threw the kids into the bed of the truck and we came out fine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

#28

> the architecture uses large aluminum unicastings to incorporate more than 100 parts that would otherwise be separate They may have learned a few tricks from those teardowns of BYDs.

I honestly think unicastings are a horrible idea. BYD for most of its flagship vehicles do not use unicasting. I think unicasting should be reserved for the cheapest of vehicles in which an accident means the vehicle is recycled rather than unsafely repaired.

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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post #16

> Rather than a distinct floor component, the Fathom’s interior parts mount directly to the top of the structural battery. I'm looking forward to the IIHS test results.

Most EV's use a structural battery like this either for frames or direct attachments. Go have a look at some EURO NCAP testing of Chinese EV's

Re: Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

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post #2

So they made the battery, arguably the most concerning thing to replace as the vehicle ages, ridiculous to replace? At least they're not reusing names for entirely new things. Mustang Mach-e is so weird. New vehicle, new name. Good

Aging isn't the real problem. Batteries are being found to last ages and ages more than they were ever thought to. By the time it needs to be changed, these will be considered as antiques. I think the real problem will be in crashes and insurance. The amount of cars that will be totaled for a fender bender will be nuts.

The idea of giga casting is horrible. One frame crack and its toast, I don't care how much people talk about that damn "Tesla glue" its forever structurally compromised.

Steel frame rails, good crash protection bolted to those frames and then a battery in the middle. Keep it simple and repairable.

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