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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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This is blatantly untrue: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/Fig2_Gro...

What was untrue specifically? I'm not sure what quoting the electricity by general source over the last decades disproves. Did you read something into spwas comment he didn't actually say?

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I read up recently on the history of the fall of the roman empire and it was fascinating how eerily similar it was to the current state of the US. Overwhelmed by corruption and wars they make stupider and stupider decisions on ever larger scales, ever more frequently. And the population grows ever more cynical, eventually opting for authoritarianism before eventually the center can't hold any more and it all collapse…

Older generation has lead poisoning from all the leaded gasoline burned

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I'm not a huge fan of their aesthetic in its own right, but it beats the aesthetic of fossil fuel infrastructure any day in my view.

I like wind farms, but I think it's fair to observe that they're often built in nice places, whereas fossil fuel infrastructure is built in places you'd never go to voluntarily.

> whereas fossil fuel infrastructure is built in places you'd never go to voluntarily.

IMO that's the consequence, not the cause, of the infrastructure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine

Or sometimes the consequence of the closure of that infrastructure with no transitional plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merthyr_Tydfil

The latter is absolutely worth caring about even for the greenest of green energy. Even just PV on rooftops, when a town becomes a ghost town.

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Meanwhile China is becoming entirely energy independent and electrifying their economy. I don't understand how the US doesn't see that they won't be top dog forever especially in this multipolar age.

They still mostly rely on coal. Slightly more than half of electricity is generated by burning coal, whereas in the US, it's only 15%. The renewable energy share in generation is roughly the same in the US and China, but not for capacity.

GP was talking about energy independence. They use domestic coal not imported coal, so the goal of energy independence is still achieved.

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What is your contingency plan for if the groundwork that has been laid to falsify election results works? Wait harder? The ethical US has rolled over already.

> falsify election results This is something that is extremely hard to accomplish in the US. It would be akin to all of Europe voting on the same day and trying to falsify an election in each country. The logistics of this means that you need a lot of participants, and someone is going to blow it (and the whole thing unravels). That is not the same as interfering: Jackboots at the polls, screwing with the mail, ID re…

Yet it almost happened in 2020, when there was a lot more resistance against Trump in the US government, and no Project 2024.

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won't happen with capitalism which has an emphasis on economic growth forever...

Economic growth also comes from getting more for less. A company can increase their profits by growing and increasing both what they spend and what they earn. But a company can also increase their profits by reducing what they spend without decreasing what they earn. Almost all companies are constantly trying to do this.

Often (usually?) by requiring workers to do more for less pay. Automation will eventually solve this problem, but because of the need to increase profits, finding an alternative way for companies to economically support human life the way they traditionally have through employment will be a tough nut to crack.

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US is rich in fossil energy so it doesn't have the same incentives as China does obviously.

Someone who is "rich" in a consumable asset and therefore chooses to just consume that instead of investing in a renewable or compounding asset is colloquially known as "a dumbass."

But US seems to be doing a bit of everything no?

But of course it doesn't have the same incentives of China.

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If this is true, this is the person some folks think is fit to lead a nation. One little thing not suiting his whim of the day? Lets hate something that helps with energy production. Welcome the world of transactional opportunism.

I'm sure you would welcome a data center in your backyard

Datacentres are a resource sink that serves private interests, not a resource source that serves public interests.

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US is rich in fossil energy so it doesn't have the same incentives as China does obviously.

> US is rich in fossil energy so it doesn't have the same incentives as China does obviously. China isn't rich in fossil energy? That's news to me. They are the world's largest coal producer and still create over half of their electricity from coal. The difference to the US is that China seems to realize that this strategy isn't a long term solution.

US exports energy, China imports it. Not sure what is there to argue.

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>It’s good to reduce dependence on foreign supply chains The fact that we're still basically entirely reliant on the middle east and other foreign producers for our domestic fuel supply suggests this isn't really that big of a deal. Even in the middle of a war that is generating massive profits for the oil industry, no one is suggesting they should add refinery capacity or convert existing ones to use domestic oil. T…

I disagree. The US is the largest producer of oil and natural gas in the world. We’re also a net energy exporter. We import some crude because our refineries are set up for it. That’s a long way from being “entirely reliant” on foreign fuel.

We are indeed the largest producer of oil and natural gas. In this case, "some" is like 70%. Maybe that's not "entirely reliant", but it's far from independence. If other countries stopped selling us oil, our car-centric society would be FUBAR for some time.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-produc...

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_d_nus_Z00_mbblp...

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_exp_dc_NUS-Z00_mbblpd_...

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