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The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate

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Re: The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate

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Are we ready to have a discussion about seeding the upper atmosphere with SO2 yet?

Can we say for certain that doing so would not have an unintended side effect, given how complex the biodome is? If not, then likely no.

One day the calculation is going to be "do nothing and cook ourselves to death" vs. "Put SO2 in the atmosphere and see what happens next".

If the SO2 brings about destruction sooner, I'm of the camp that "well, we were destined for death anyway...".

Re: The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate

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It's quite striking to note how media coverage of climate change and pollution have gone down so much. I remember in the 90's it was very much in the popular mileu. What's more we are living through an actual green revolution. Solar power and batteries have never been so cheap - and still promising to get cheaper and better with sodium ion batteries.

Your balcony solar is a drop in the ocean of CO2 that USA, China and India keep spewing out.

https://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/report_2025

Re: The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate

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> we wouldn't be fascist, we'd simply need totalitarian control over every facet of business, labor, capital, leisure, transport and production. Even ignoring all the rest, that is in fact not what fascism means.

I thought we were at the stage where emotive language was fine when it's literally wrong if it communicates the right idea?

Re: The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate

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Not "collapsing the climate"

Collapsing human-optimum climate, a temporary state Earth entered about 15 thousand years ago and made modern civilization possible.

The truly sad thing about it all is not the damage to some abstract "environment". The fact remains that we had an Eden-like planet for a few thousand years and completely and utterly wrecked it to maximize the "wealth" of a few generations of elites.

Re: The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 90s it was something to deal with later. Now that it's something to deal with right now, of course they won't cover it. In a few decades they'll cover it again, but only to say how it's too late now. Another factor is that rich oil and gas people figured out they could just buy the media.

Why would it be too late?

Thermal systems are slow. On the planetary scale of pump and dump heat the lag is something like 30 years. So the change you’re experiencing today is the effect of what was exhausted in the 90s. What we’re getting in 2050 is already locked in.

Re: The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate

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post #51

Okay great. We’re out of time. Fine, we get it. But the problem with this article, and many other similar articles, is it seems like it’s just designed to scare the shit out of us. No call to action, no recommendations in what to do about it. It’s basically insinuating that we, the regular people, are the responsible. As there in-lies the problem, and it makes me furious. The onus to engineer our way out of a climate…

I don't see him as blaming us regular people. Just liars (which he takes pains to enumerate thoroughly). Of course most of us are just living our lives. But sometimes even us normal folk have an opportunity, when we bump into one of these liars or have a conversation about one, and we can at least remind folks this is still a problem.

The main thrust of the article is that the attention to the uncomfortable issue of climate change has been replaced with noise about everything else and comfortable lies about things being fine, and that the drop in attention correlates strongly with climate change worsening as such making the case that even just bringing more attention back to the issue could help prevent it.

Re: The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate

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post #84
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is fundamentally the problem with whole thing. Vast majority of population on Earth is not ready for personal sacrifices needed. And if some government will get to around it, I am pretty sure they will be replaced and most things are rolled back. My guess is that we somehow end up geoengineering it with even more debt...

The solution will have to come from growth and technical innovations, not personal sacrifice.

I agree, because (and I'm being a bit flippant) I sure as hell am not giving up my gas stove while billionaires fly around in private jets and MAGA guys are coal-rolling in their F-250s...

It seems to me that carbon capture technology plus renewables and nuclear + dream energy (fission) will be the future but we're probably not going to go off of fossil fuels much, which will necessitate in part the need to suck this stuff out of the atmosphere.

Re: The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate

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post #6

At this point I’m not sure what to do about it. I already live a low-ish carbon life. I barely ever fly. Only drive when I need to. Try and use items that are non-plastic where feasible. I don’t buy extra clothes. It’s at the point where I wish it were solvable, but I don’t believe it is, so I can’t afford to think about it. Maybe people better than me can, and good luck to them.

It's not at all about individual action. This scale of problem requires policy intervention and investment at national levels, and inter-governmental coordination internationally. The big, meaningful wins come from things like stopping the use of coal, not signing-off on new oil and gas exploration, tax-incentives and disincentives, grid work, fining polluters. We instinctively frame this as an individual problem, th…

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Re: The Gargantuan Lie That Is Collapsing the Climate

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Sadly I think the only solution is to invest to build more energy infrastructure and more AI, so that in the future when the shit really hits the fan we have enough energy and assistance from AI to create a scalable technology to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere proactively.

In my view there is no credible future in which the world will become carbon neutral in 1 or even 10 years. It just ain't happening. This is one of those problems where the train is already running down the hill, and we need to engineer a way to catch it. We cannot stop it anymore.

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