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São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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The story of the High Line in NYC is pretty similar, Burnside in Portland and FDR in Philly.. you can just do things! (Except in the UK, where you can't.)

I've always admired Madrid's Rio and also Valencia. Adding trees to urban life == massive social win.

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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Ugh, graffiti is really a crime against the built environment: https://offloadmedia.feverup.com/saopaulosecreto.com/wp-cont....

I've never been, but I remember they had a big push some years ago to ban outdoor advertising to reduce "visual pollution." Sao Paulo looks so clean and beautiful from Google Street View--it makes the ugliness of the graffiti really stand out. I can't comprehend the nasty mind that decides to pollute other people's environment like that.

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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I often speak to people online who look at society and want to tear it down and start again. I've never understood that attitude. Growth out of decay takes work, but it takes considerably less work than accelerated decay and then trying to start again when there is nothing fertile left to build on. I like this article because it demonstrates that there is always fertile land and opportunities where people are not loo…

> I've never understood that attitude.

It's because the powers that be do not want to make the society we want. They want to make the society they want, often at our expense. Therefore they must be torn down.

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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post #72

Ugh, graffiti is really a crime against the built environment: https://offloadmedia.feverup.com/saopaulosecreto.com/wp-cont... . I've never been, but I remember they had a big push some years ago to ban outdoor advertising to reduce "visual pollution." Sao Paulo looks so clean and beautiful from Google Street View--it makes the ugliness of the graffiti really stand out. I can't comprehend the nasty mind that decides…

My hot take: as long as the artists (or vandals I suppose, depending on your point of view) are talented, I don’t actually mind.

It adds a “lived-in” character to the space which I quite like.

Defacing small business owners’ property is obviously a dick move but if you’re at an abandoned warehouse, skatepark, or waterfront, I say go nuts.

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precivilisational lifestyles can only carry a small fraction of our current population. To a significant degree we're locked into this, and have been for thousands of years.

Only hundreds. Two centuries ago, the total human population was about 5% of today's population.

We have more forests today in Europe than we did 400 years ago.

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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post #74
post #72

Ugh, graffiti is really a crime against the built environment: https://offloadmedia.feverup.com/saopaulosecreto.com/wp-cont... . I've never been, but I remember they had a big push some years ago to ban outdoor advertising to reduce "visual pollution." Sao Paulo looks so clean and beautiful from Google Street View--it makes the ugliness of the graffiti really stand out. I can't comprehend the nasty mind that decides…

My hot take: as long as the artists (or vandals I suppose, depending on your point of view) are talented, I don’t actually mind. It adds a “lived-in” character to the space which I quite like. Defacing small business owners’ property is obviously a dick move but if you’re at an abandoned warehouse, skatepark, or waterfront, I say go nuts.

Defacing public property is worse. It's toxic individualism and self-expression. If people wanted to put up a mural, they'd collectively vote to do so. In a proper society, graffiti artists would face public punishment from the collective.

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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post #72

Ugh, graffiti is really a crime against the built environment: https://offloadmedia.feverup.com/saopaulosecreto.com/wp-cont... . I've never been, but I remember they had a big push some years ago to ban outdoor advertising to reduce "visual pollution." Sao Paulo looks so clean and beautiful from Google Street View--it makes the ugliness of the graffiti really stand out. I can't comprehend the nasty mind that decides…

It's a skatepark, skateparks have graffiti, it's art live with it

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or, for something a bit less dedicated, craft some seed bombs (mix dirt and clay together into small cookie balls with native seeds in them) and throw them into the abandoned area This is a lot of fun (albeit illegal in many places) to spruce up somewhat dead-looking villages and towns. Traveling with a passenger that holds a sack of seeds out the window is another way :) Do make sure you're actually using seeds of…

I'm very interested in "seed bombs". We have to plant something like one trillion trees just to keep up with losses from forest fires. Imagine the economics, supply chain, science, innovation, etc required to plant one trillion trees and all their supporting shrubs and ground cover. My impression is they work well enough for flowers. I have no idea about shrubs or ground cover. I'm aware there's some efforts to seed…

Probably the toughest part of "reforestation" like that isn't the "planting of trees" process, but you have to actively monitor them and make sure they actually work out and survive. A bit amount of these enormous "plant trees over large areas" efforts fail simply because they didn't even come back once to actually maintain the plants until they're strong enough to actually form a ecosystem.

So sure, just planting one trillion trees is a huge task, but making sure they actually survive and grow to big strong trees to make a forest, will be short of impossible. Better to aim for smaller patches that can naturally spread over time as it matures by itself.

Here's a pretty short and sweet video talking more about the maintenance and actual survival of the trees for more than just photo-ops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5ufbMgxN04

Re: São Paulo resident transforms degraded area into urban forest

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Another related Brazilian interesting fact is that almost all greenery in Rio de Janeiro is replanted, since must was coffee plantations.

The last emperor of Brazil decided to replant it all, since it was affecting wellbeing and water supply to the city at the time

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