Do I still own the device if I can't remove what I want?
On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
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Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#192I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.
2 ? Google, Apple, Microsoft, Palantir, Meta etc.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
This seems to be a case of “I want to use services from companies that are built on business models hostile towards my sovereignty, privacy, and rights! ; I can’t believe hostilecorp wont let me work around their hostileOS?” I mean, it really sucks that so many people have made themselves dependent on this crap, but at some point you just have to stop buying the poison or stop complaining that it makes you sick. The…
Or maybe it's a case of "I want to own the place where I live and the only way to achieve that while supporting a family is participating in the economy based o hostileOS"? It's easy to have a principled stance when the only currency it costs you is your own convenience and standard of living. For many people, life is not as simple as that.
I wouldn’t say it’s easy. It takes extreme measures. I left my home country with my family of 5 and built an off grid community in an agricultural area in the developing world because I was not happy with the practical agency that was considered permissible under my circumstances.
While I have developed skills that have enabled me to do the work involved, this was done without having even meeting the median household income.
So, no, it’s not the only way, but it may be the only way while staying on the reservation. You have to want freedom bad enough to give up the security of the beaten path in favor of the uncertain and often unpredictable consequences of your own decisions.
yet, I write this on my hostilephone lol.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#194This sucks. I use adb to uninstall all of the system apps like facebook, youtube, web browser, etc. to give myself a minimalist, distraction-free phone that still has niche apps, maps, and communication apps. Might have to look into the expensive light phones as an alternative now if this update hits my phone.
You have never been able to uninstall apps from the /system partition with adb (without root). You have only been able to disable them to stop them from showing up.
Hmm, this has worked for me on several different samsung phones?
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12949609/adb-shell-comma...
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17556750/how-to-uninstal...
This is true uninstalling, is it not?
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#195This sucks. I use adb to uninstall all of the system apps like facebook, youtube, web browser, etc. to give myself a minimalist, distraction-free phone that still has niche apps, maps, and communication apps. Might have to look into the expensive light phones as an alternative now if this update hits my phone.
They can still be disabled.
But in like 5 seconds you can re-enable a disabled app from the settings menu, right?
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#196GrapheneOS has minimal, private [1] system apps so you don't have to debloat anything yourself. Manual debloating is not a good solution at the user level. Some system apps are being overhauled, so that's something to look forward to. Gallery will be [2] based on ReFra [3]. [1] Except phone and messaging but that's the cell network. GrapheneOS recommends Signal/Molly or SimpleX instead. [2] https://nitter.net/Graphen…
GrapheneOS also runs only on Google Pixels, which isn't an option for people who refuse to support Google, or live in a country where Google doesn't sell Pixels. I find it ironic that an organisation which touts "privacy" so much, asks you to financially support one of the biggest anti-privacy corporations, which is why I can't take GrapheneOS seriously. (And yes I'm aware of the upcoming Motorola partnership, but th…
>the release has already been delayed several times. I'll believe it when it actually ships
Do you have evidence for this? Since the collaboration was announced, I've heard no delays and they're going to be available on the 2027 Razrs.
>financially support one of the biggest anti-privacy corporations, which is why I can't take GrapheneOS seriously.
You don't meaningfully financially support Google if you buy second hand or refurbished or Open Box. Google already likely has low margins if you buy their phones on significant discount from them.
You don't understand GrapheneOS's rationale. They are focused on delivering a privacy focused OS, not avoiding Google.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it because the sandbox is bad and does not perfectly simulate the computing environment of a real device? Because to me it sounds like a cat and mouse game that Google and banking apps are destined to lose.
It's because of the Play Integrity API, which AFAIK runs downloaded binaries in the DroidGuard environment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Integrity_API The strongest levels require hardware key attestation (which, in my understanding, uses a certificate that's baked in secure hardware and signed by Google): - https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu... - https://developer.android.com/privacy-…
Still. It must be possible to extract such a key. Even hardware key storage is not 100% safe.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#198This sucks. I use adb to uninstall all of the system apps like facebook, youtube, web browser, etc. to give myself a minimalist, distraction-free phone that still has niche apps, maps, and communication apps. Might have to look into the expensive light phones as an alternative now if this update hits my phone.
You have never been able to uninstall apps from the /system partition with adb (without root). You have only been able to disable them to stop them from showing up.
Did you try it with --user 0 ?
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#199Damn this is really awful. I hope it's not all manufacturers. I always use adb to clean up my phone from Ali the bloatware crap.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
the "whatever ROM"s are all Android, what difference does it make? Many bank apps have this SafetyNet thing and will refuse to run on non-official ROMs, that too.
Well, there's various linux options like postmarketOS. So long as you have the fundamental freedom, that is, an unlocked bootloader, everything else follows. If you decide to write a new OS for a phone, notning is stopping you.
The linux distros support very few devices officially. Even including community maintained ports, it's always old devices that you would not buy if you wanna maximize specs to run as a server. That is one of the reasons you want linux in the first place.
I have several old Android phones, the newest one is s10e from 2019, decent specs but only supports an abandoned version of UBports, not the current one, and no port for postmarketOS.