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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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take a look at what Spain is doing. diversifying the energy system is needed

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Yes, because comparing it to larger countries with more economic power like China would make the US politics look even dumber.

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There are too many interested parties involved in the energy sector. The only common sense I can think of is solar+storage at the single building level and interconnected through smart grids with neighbours. But that leaves out the government and all those interested parties so we're never ever getting that.

That leaves a lot of free energy sources untapped - especially hydro.

If you can set up a hydro/pump dam without wrecking the ecosystem and don't need handouts to function, I'm all for it.

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You're not wrong, but it simply isn't politically viable, which has been illustrated quite obviously by now. The "use less" strategy is a complete (and predictable) failure.

Oh it shouldn't be a political issue at all. We don't need the government forcing us to reduce energy use, we need people to do it for themselves.

It is absolutely the government's job to regulate externalities. Otherwise, personal virtue is just subsidizing third party vice. Energy is fungible. Every joule you save lowers the cost for people who don't care.

Re: US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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So in short a company was servicing power demand in a low pollution way. Then American government gave them money so they can instead service the same demand while causing more pollution. Just... Why? To protect a few hundred jobs in America? They could have just given a small portion of that money to these workers and they would stop complaining about job loss. 1.2 Billion is a big number.

Because Trump hates wind power for "ruining the view". That's it.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uyLiON_f5c0

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetl...

Re: US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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Meanwhile China is becoming entirely energy independent and electrifying their economy. I don't understand how the US doesn't see that they won't be top dog forever especially in this multipolar age.

US is rich in fossil energy so it doesn't have the same incentives as China does obviously.

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All kinds of power generation are typically heavily subdized in some way. I do not think this "common sense" strategy exists.

"common sense" is common sense because it is not "specialised sense" or "expert sense" So if politicians base their decisions on "common sense", they confess to not being able to use experts that refine their knowledge and position about a topic. A "common sense" strategy is therefore what is most popular and on the basis of the understanding of laymen without deeper understanding or knowledge.

You dont need deeper understanding of knowledge for everything. Ask Grandma whether she needs a chemical engineering degree to bake apple pie.

Then there is the Theory of Bounded Rationality which tells us expertise may exist but resources, time, energy, info, attention etc etc may not therefore bounds and limits of expertise alone must be recognized and solutions reached are satisficable rather than optimal. Aiming for optima when other factors havent been sorted just creates new problems.

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> Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said in a statement posted on X that Americans deserve an energy system built on common sense and not one dependent on "costly subsidies". I agree. This is why we are building offshore wind and not subsidizing fossil fuels, right?

And don't forget ethanol, probably the least efficient form of energy ever discovered

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We also need to use less total energy, regardless of source. That number doesn't have to always go up.

There are only two routes to preventing the climate disaster we've already set in motion: Risky geoengineering projects like stratospheric aerosol injection. Direct atmospheric capture of CO2. The latter is the safer option because it's just restoring the atmosphere to a known good state. Direct atmospheric capture of billions of tons of CO2 per year will take enormous amounts of energy. We're going to need a lot mor…

Atmospheric capture of CO2 seems to me to be one of the things pushed by the fossil fuel industry.

It is clearly not really feasable (at least not now). To me it just seems like the fossil fuel industry is doing the tobacco industry playbook of pushing stuff that doesn't actually work so people don't even try the stuff that does work: using less energy, and using less carbon intensive energy.

We really can move to less carbon intensive energy, there's lots of options all around us. Yes it means a systemic change - which is exactly what the fossil fuel industry doesn't want.

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