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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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Post by iso1631 »

rayiner wrote: post #68
saagarjha wrote: post #4

> Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said in a statement posted on X that Americans deserve an energy system built on common sense and not one dependent on "costly subsidies". I agree. This is why we are building offshore wind and not subsidizing fossil fuels, right?

It's even dumber than that. Someone built a wind farm near Trump's golf course in Scotland and now he hates wind farms: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15l3knp4xyo . He thinks they're ugly and noisy.

> He thinks they're ugly and noisy

The feeling is mutual

Re: US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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Post by kklisura »

jeltz wrote: post #51
saagarjha wrote: post #4

> Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said in a statement posted on X that Americans deserve an energy system built on common sense and not one dependent on "costly subsidies". I agree. This is why we are building offshore wind and not subsidizing fossil fuels, right?

All kinds of power generation are typically heavily subdized in some way. I do not think this "common sense" strategy exists.

Just like "first principles", "common sense" differs from man to man.

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Post by Avicebron »

rayiner wrote: post #75
Avicebron wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like a subsidy?

No, like a breakup fee in a commercial contract.

...the point being the hypocrisy of exercising that option in the name of removing subsidized power, not the literal financial mechanism.

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Post by iammjm »

ssl-3 wrote: post #5

Please always vote. Thank you. :)

Just “voting” is not sufficient. In fact, voting for the “wrong” people got us here. This guy won because people voted for him. Twice! How about: please always vote for the person who seems the least likely to fuck up the present and the future for all of us

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Post by master-lincoln »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #123
master-lincoln wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

won't happen with capitalism which has an emphasis on economic growth forever...

Does the env work better in a communist country like North Korea? Or in the Soviet Union? Or are we gonna do no true Scotsman and say Soviet was always capitalist and had no connection to communism?

Absolutely irrelevant derailing. No claim was made about communist countries...

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Post by PowerElectronix »

jeltz wrote: post #51
saagarjha wrote: post #4

> Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said in a statement posted on X that Americans deserve an energy system built on common sense and not one dependent on "costly subsidies". I agree. This is why we are building offshore wind and not subsidizing fossil fuels, right?

All kinds of power generation are typically heavily subdized in some way. I do not think this "common sense" strategy exists.

There are too many interested parties involved in the energy sector. The only common sense I can think of is solar+storage at the single building level and interconnected through smart grids with neighbours.

But that leaves out the government and all those interested parties so we're never ever getting that.

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Post by OtomotO »

satvikpendem wrote: post #37

Meanwhile China is becoming entirely energy independent and electrifying their economy. I don't understand how the US doesn't see that they won't be top dog forever especially in this multipolar age.

China thinks long-term, the US administration, especially the current one doesn't.

And who is to blame them (or to hold them accountable)? Some won't live long-term... I mean, being 80 and fat, what are the chances...

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Post by rcxdude »

fundatus wrote: post #70
spwa4 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Seems like you read some misinformation there. Share of coal in the German electricity mix: 2021 30.2% 2022 33.3% (the year that nuclear was shut off) 2023 26.0% 2024 21.2% 2025 22.4% Complete phase out is scheduled for the 2030s.

The argument I think is that the share could be lower if the nuclear plants were kept running (broadly, based on your numbers, it could be less than 20% in 2025). Whether that would have made economic sense (especially in terms of redirections funds away from renewables), I am not so sure of.

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Post by uecker »

kingleopold wrote: post #26
_heimdall wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also need to use less total energy, regardless of source. That number doesn't have to always go up.

That number directly correlates with life quality in almost every country on earth. More energy per capita means higher life quality, without a doubt in every high quality place.

You can do more with less energy, if you use it more efficiently, which sometimes may be more cost effective compared to producing more. Electricity consumption peaked in Germany in 2007 and is down 15% since then while GDP grew by 50%.

Also energy consumption per capita is more than 2x higher in the US compared to Germany, while quality of life should be roughly similar. (In my personal opionion quality of life is better in Germany).

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