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New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health

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This ruling is absurd. The "harm" alleged could be produced not only by any social media, but by any mass media. But this ruling is really not about that-- it is a shot across the bow of Facebook and the rest of Big Tech warning them to get in line with the official propaganda or the US government will make their lives very difficult. Notice how this wasn't happening to Facebook when they were banning anyone that pos…

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I'm pretty sure Meta will drag the case in appeals for many years until the order becomes irrelevant. Cheaper than paying $942m.

Why would dragging it on make the order irrelevant?

While they wait decades for the court cases to resolve they can take the amount of money they were fined and invest it. They have so much money they wont even notice it and they'll have made a profit on the whole thing by the end of it.

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Parent your kids. There are countless services to block content you don't want. There are dedicated ISPs and cell phone providers that block content you don't want. Quit thinking that government regulation & registration are the only ways to prevent children from accessing objectionable content. Removing internet anonymity as a rule will do far more harm than good. Just because the people you agree with are driving t…

I agree that parents have the primary responsibility, but at the same time laws should be created to punish that harm children’s physical and mental health.

There’s a reason that laws exists to prohibit selling cigarettes and alcohol to children. But teenagers would still find a way to consume those, however now there’s an incentive for people to not sell those to underage because the consequences would be not worth it.

Same should happen with social media that harms children and their mental health.

Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health

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This analysis actually understates how massive and outsized the penalties are. The court ruling only applies to children in New Mexico under age 18. New Mexico has ~450,000 people under age 18, of which roughly 140,000 are between ages 13-17 (Meta officially requires age 13+ to use their platforms). Recent Pew surveys of U.S. teens ages 13–17 show ~70% of teenagers use Instagram and ~30% use Facebook. In New Mexico,…

Shouldn't you take into account all young adults that were in this age range in the last 10 or 15 years?

Maybe, but in the official verdict they didn't take into account all affected children either; they only used an estimated 37,500 affected teen users to calculate the fine.

Meta was fined for:

- 37,500 instances of deceptive-practice violations @ $5,000 per

- 37,500 instances of unconscionable-practice violations @ $5,000 per

- 75,000 total violations x $5,000 = $375 million

The rationale for only using 37,500 users (instead of the actual user count), and choosing $5,000 per instance (the maximum amount allowed by law) is unclear to me.

The second case is even more confusing, New Mexico requested $953 million from Meta to pay for its "equitable share" of a $3.7 billion public-nuisance abatement program state experts created. A judge reduced this amount to only $567 million, determining that:

1) other platforms also share responsibility, and

2) some proposed expenses were too broad (ex: the judge denied the request for the construction of entire new hospitals and clinics as part of the program).

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"Playboy magazines" are part of the problem. Fetishes aren't what has distorted mens' ideas of intimacy and sexual relations. Fetishes can be a perfectly healthy and consensual form of sexual expression. The problem is the lack of proper sexual education in schools and open dialogue in society because we're limited by Christian taboos to only ever mentioning abstinence until marriage, so porn becomes the only way men…

> The problem is the lack of proper sexual education in schools and open dialogue in society because we're limited by Christian taboos to only ever mentioning abstinence until marriage, so porn becomes the only way men learn about sex and intimacy The UK has a lot of sex education, no such taboos, and is the home of OnlyFans. Are any of the problems you mention better in the UK than the US? > Kill all the porn sites…

IMO you are too caught up on the religious part of the teaching [ maybe rightfully so ] and less on the actual message.

The reason why this is so important is because of the preservation of the family. It is undeniable that a two parent healthy relationship is best for children regardless of religion. However religion is the proxy that is used to get there.

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But they are less violent.

Every person must have some natural violence pre disposition but that needs to be weighed by their ability to inflict it. I could be a super violent guy on a desert island and so never inflict violence. How physically strong you are must come into that which means opportunities for violence go down with physical size. Even if I want to be violent if I'm somewhat rational and don't want to get beat up. It's not clear…

Size doesn't matter all that much in the modern world. Even toddlers can murder people with a gun. Tiny people can kill very effectively with knives, poisons, cars, etc. The smaller you are the easier it can be to get away with it too.

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Sex education is, outside of some places in Europe, very rare. You'll certainly find such things far and few between in Asia. So not only is it absent in non-Christian nations, but the places where it is present, like Scandiland for ex, tend to be Christian. Porn, let alone fetish porn, has a big problem because all the actors, including "amateur", are not only 'heavily used' and completely desensitized, but also the…

>Porn, let alone fetish porn, has a big problem because all the actors, including "amateur", are not only 'heavily used' and completely desensitized, but also the sort of people willing to publicly share video of themselves having sex. Maybe, but none of that is germane to the subject at hand. It's the responsibility of parents and other adults to keep children away from porn, and to teach them about sex and normal r…

>It's the responsibility of parents and other adults to keep children away from porn

The only way to do that [currently] is legislation. It is impossible otherwise.

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The long tail of women's erotic novels is way worse because there's a lot less laws regulating what you can put in text vs film.

And yet, women dont create whole networks of sexual abuse and overall are less sexually violent. And they are less likely to create whole ideologies, political parties and movements that rationalize and defend all that abuse.

> And yet, women dont create whole networks of sexual abuse

That explains why women like Ghislaine Maxwell or Kat Torres don't exist I guess.

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Lol I have never met someone in my adult life in the usa who was strictly for abstinence before marriage. You are extremely overstating the taboo of it here.

I know dozens. I'm sure I've met thousands. I used to be active in a lutheran (LCMS) church. If that's where you form your social network, you're likely to be _primarily_ around people who believe in abstinence before marriage. And if you're non-religious, you'll have a different social network. America maybe a melting pot, but if you'll let me abuse the metaphor a bit- there's not a lot of stirring going on. There a…

LCMS is more conservative as you know, There is a lot of disagreement between ELCA.

I know of many lutheran [cool] pastors who had earrings, pony tails, never preached a single word about strict abstinence. There are many gay members of the Lutheran church and are welcomed.

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