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Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by a2ff6eeb0 »

rwyinuse wrote: post #241
a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're "good enough", but they're not good. If you're trying to run a business, programmer skill isn't worth the money you spend, LLMs are cheaper. If you care about the quality of what you produce, they're trash. Programming is no longer skilled labor. Quality is a hobby.

If your business involves storing any kind of customer data or handling payments, you probably should still hire a programmer who at least reviews the results of your vibe coding. Getting hacked is bad for business.

AI is just fine at security audits these days. It's better at finding bugs than it is at writing code, overall. You need to prompt for it, but that's not skilled labor.

I'm also not sure getting hacked is so bad for business. Most businesses that got hacked seem to still be around just fine.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by pizzly »

madrox wrote: post #142

We've been talking about taste for a year now as it relates to AI, so I'm going to counterpoint it: if competitors can reproduce your features, UX, and visual decisions within days, your taste is not really an advantage. How many apps implemented pull down to refresh once one person did it? How many people even remember (or care) whose taste spawned that UX pattern? [1] AI is not inaugurating an age of taste. It is s…

I can see a possible future where taste is automated. If you can effortlessly make 1000s of iterations then you can test it on real people 1000s of times. The ones that do better you keep.

Another possible future is that taste is not automated but its not part of the designer's job (if designers still exist). Instead some AI will generate 1000 of iterations and people will be employed to evaluate 100s of software UI each day for taste. These will be taste farms if you like. These people full time job will be saying yes or no.

Other possible futures also exist.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

scandox wrote: post #317
nazgu1 wrote: post #310

I have mixed feelings... I stumbled upon, read a post-mortem that looks even more AI-generated than the article. "That says something about my writing. It says nothing about who wrote it." - Two contradicting sentences, author's writing skills are part of the author as-a-whole "The short sentences, the reversals, the one-word lines" and then "I will write the next one plainer.". - even more? And... I wonder if this i…

> I'm sincerely sorry for publishing something that has allowed you to feel this way. What fresh hell is this? If this is human then I wish it was AI

> something that has allowed you to feel this way

Sorry buddy, next time I won't ask for permission. I don't care what you allow.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by vsl »

hypfer wrote: post #340
scandox wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm sincerely sorry for publishing something that has allowed you to feel this way. What fresh hell is this? If this is human then I wish it was AI

> and this post will go down as my not-the-proudest, however, I take your criticism to heart—although not personally—and strive to improve. I just do not understand why people - even when actively denying LLM usage - use the fucking em dash. I don't care if it is the "right" thing to use there. The character has been associated with slop. Why do you keep using it without even just acknowledging that you did. Just use…

> I just do not understand why people - even when actively denying LLM usage - use the fucking em dash.

Because they are literate? Unlike the "em-dash means AI" illiterate crowd?

I'm not going to change my writing because some idiots who never read a novel or heard about typography think only AI does that.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by jkahrs595 »

hypfer wrote: post #340
scandox wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm sincerely sorry for publishing something that has allowed you to feel this way. What fresh hell is this? If this is human then I wish it was AI

> and this post will go down as my not-the-proudest, however, I take your criticism to heart—although not personally—and strive to improve. I just do not understand why people - even when actively denying LLM usage - use the fucking em dash. I don't care if it is the "right" thing to use there. The character has been associated with slop. Why do you keep using it without even just acknowledging that you did. Just use…

Th emdash is not something I use ever (before or after AI slop), but telling people not to use it because it’s associated with slop is not the way.

It’s like when people tried to tell everyone to stop using the ok symbol with their hands because a small group of hateful fucks pretended it meant something else. It only switches meaning if you let it, and stop using it yourself.

What happens when AI adopts something else? Do we give that up too?

With all of that said, this guy is definitely AI lol. He’s gotta be trolling us by doubling down.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by dizhn »

Good4boothee wrote: post #347
sixhobbits wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes this is 100% AI, the article and the 'post mortem'. People are so gullible. Anyone who has read a lot of AI can spot it instantly, but Pangram also says 99% of this is AI. So many signs, and no there were no human authors who wrote like this "What it actually is" "Here is the uncomfortable mechanism" "Let me be plain about it" "The floor" "Everything downstream of the verdict" I'll eat my hat if this isn't AI. Ve…

Please, I couldn't care what Pangram (or any other "detector") says. If it feels like AI, does it even matter if LLM was co-author? It lands in the same "bad writing, I won't continue to read that" category. That said I am recently getting paranoid about YT videos, I hear Claude traces in every 5th script. If people are going to spend substantial time recording and editing, is it worth "saving" time on most important…

"it's not just ...., it's ..." is in EVERY youtube video I watch. There's got to be a reason AI uses it so much. Maybe it was already prevalent in bad scripts and we never noticed it before. Sort of like the "Webster dictionary defines ... as " cliche.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by hypfer »

vsl wrote: post #354
hypfer wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and this post will go down as my not-the-proudest, however, I take your criticism to heart—although not personally—and strive to improve. I just do not understand why people - even when actively denying LLM usage - use the fucking em dash. I don't care if it is the "right" thing to use there. The character has been associated with slop. Why do you keep using it without even just acknowledging that you did. Just use…

> I just do not understand why people - even when actively denying LLM usage - use the fucking em dash. Because they are literate? Unlike the "em-dash means AI" illiterate crowd? I'm not going to change my writing because some idiots who never read a novel or heard about typography think only AI does that.

I just do not comprehend how that can be the hill people choose to die on.

Like.. I get it. It's wrong. It feels wrong to give the AI nonsense just an inch and all.

But in the grand scheme of things, it's just highly ineffective dogmatism that makes people unheard, miserable and just further increases struggle.

Which people are free to do, in the same way that I am free to purposefully drop a massive hammer on my foot just to make some kind of statement. Hurts me a lot, rest of the world stays entirely indifferent.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by hypfer »

jkahrs595 wrote: post #355
hypfer wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and this post will go down as my not-the-proudest, however, I take your criticism to heart—although not personally—and strive to improve. I just do not understand why people - even when actively denying LLM usage - use the fucking em dash. I don't care if it is the "right" thing to use there. The character has been associated with slop. Why do you keep using it without even just acknowledging that you did. Just use…

Th emdash is not something I use ever (before or after AI slop), but telling people not to use it because it’s associated with slop is not the way. It’s like when people tried to tell everyone to stop using the ok symbol with their hands because a small group of hateful fucks pretended it meant something else. It only switches meaning if you let it, and stop using it yourself. What happens when AI adopts something el…

I mean you would stop using the OK Hands thing when trying to communicate with a group that has for (possibly arbitrary) reasons decided that that symbol is bad, and thus anything you say is bad, right?

At least temporarily until you got synced up with that group?

There is a place for the strategy of just continuing to use something and push through the noise there, but the em dash is not in that place. Common perception of it has too much momentum you cannot overcome like that, which - at the time of writing - makes it a bad choice.

How it will look like in 12 months we shall see, but today, I would advise against using it (without acknowledgement) in texts that talk about AI.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by kcexn »

I think whether "taste" was ever important comes down to whether software is a commodity to be bought and sold, or something more strategic.

The company that needs a webapp because everyone else has one is never going to value "taste".

To adapt to this AI world, we need to either ship more lower-quality software, or start seeking out higher value problems. I don't see any other way around it.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

vsl wrote: post #354
hypfer wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and this post will go down as my not-the-proudest, however, I take your criticism to heart—although not personally—and strive to improve. I just do not understand why people - even when actively denying LLM usage - use the fucking em dash. I don't care if it is the "right" thing to use there. The character has been associated with slop. Why do you keep using it without even just acknowledging that you did. Just use…

> I just do not understand why people - even when actively denying LLM usage - use the fucking em dash. Because they are literate? Unlike the "em-dash means AI" illiterate crowd? I'm not going to change my writing because some idiots who never read a novel or heard about typography think only AI does that.

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