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Why Estonians invite strangers into their back gardens each summer

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Re: Why Estonians invite strangers into their back gardens each summer

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I live in Estonia for a very long time now, over a decade. I love the kodukohvikud (Home Cafes) but the framing of "inviting strangers" is a little odd. It's not free. While there is a lot of theoretical opportunity for bonding, it's still just a temporary commercial enterprise. For anyone who has lived here, it's a known fact that Estonians won't exactly engage with strangers in a warm way, if at all. Smiling at str…

It's a pity, but one should probably expect some commercialization after almost 20 years of these kinds of events being held all over Estonia. The experience varies a lot from place to place, though, and many smaller places still have that homespun feel.

I personally don't mind the commercialization of it. Like you said, it is only to be expected, especially in hard times like now (though I'd argue that just increase prices for everyone). I was not making a point against it as they have to (and should) charge a price. As far as I understand, they always did and I'm really glad to give my money to a neighbor instead of a corporation like Bolt.

But what I would personally like on the other hand is that the smiles and the welcoming attitude would not happen only within the kodukohvikud and in peak summer sun but all year round. A big dose of empathy would make life easier for all of us.

And I speak Estonian. I can't even begin to imagine how cold it is for those who don't. I'm also Brazilian, so my genuineness and expectation of welcoming conversations surely set a high bar.

Re: Why Estonians invite strangers into their back gardens each summer

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post #17
post #7

TLDR to earn (tax free?) money, it has nothing to do with hospitality

Let's go the US way and arrest children for doing lemonade stands. How dare they not get a license and pay their taxes to Uncle Sam! /s

> arrest children for doing lemonade stands

Get your facts straight. This is the EU-way. It literally happened in Poland - a child got fined for a lemonade stand.

Re: Why Estonians invite strangers into their back gardens each summer

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I live in Estonia for a very long time now, over a decade. I love the kodukohvikud (Home Cafes) but the framing of "inviting strangers" is a little odd. It's not free. While there is a lot of theoretical opportunity for bonding, it's still just a temporary commercial enterprise. For anyone who has lived here, it's a known fact that Estonians won't exactly engage with strangers in a warm way, if at all. Smiling at str…

American living in Tartu here. You're not wrong. There has even been a trend of having professional catering which is disappointing. That being said I'm super excited for this weekend's event in Tammelinn[0]. I'm on a mission to find who has the best rabarberikook. 0. https://tammelinnaselts.ee/kodukohvikutepaevadest

Heh, there's also https://www-kambja-info.translate.goog/syndmus/avatud-aiad-2... right next to Tartu. This Saturday. If you have a car, come by ("Puzzle Café") and say hi - I'm making pulled pork burgers and.. other stuff that I still need to figure out (24h to go!) :)

Re: Why Estonians invite strangers into their back gardens each summer

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post #7

TLDR to earn (tax free?) money, it has nothing to do with hospitality

It depends - for some, it's a commercial event. For others, like me, it's just an opportunity to challenge yourself and see if you can make delicious food for a bunch of people :) I'll be happy if I can cover the cost of ingredients this weekend, but if not, that's fine too!

Re: Why Estonians invite strangers into their back gardens each summer

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American living in Tartu here. You're not wrong. There has even been a trend of having professional catering which is disappointing. That being said I'm super excited for this weekend's event in Tammelinn[0]. I'm on a mission to find who has the best rabarberikook. 0. https://tammelinnaselts.ee/kodukohvikutepaevadest

Heh, there's also https://www-kambja-info.translate.goog/syndmus/avatud-aiad-2... right next to Tartu. This Saturday. If you have a car, come by ("Puzzle Café") and say hi - I'm making pulled pork burgers and.. other stuff that I still need to figure out (24h to go!) :)

I love that for you! I hope you have an amazingly successful Saturday!

Re: Why Estonians invite strangers into their back gardens each summer

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's go the US way and arrest children for doing lemonade stands. How dare they not get a license and pay their taxes to Uncle Sam! /s

> arrest children for doing lemonade stands Get your facts straight. This is the EU-way. It literally happened in Poland - a child got fined for a lemonade stand.

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Re: Why Estonians invite strangers into their back gardens each summer

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post #17
post #7

TLDR to earn (tax free?) money, it has nothing to do with hospitality

Let's go the US way and arrest children for doing lemonade stands. How dare they not get a license and pay their taxes to Uncle Sam! /s

Or maybe let's just not pretend people are inviting strangers into their gardens because they wanna meet them as that clickbait title pretend and not just to earn money.

Re: Why Estonians invite strangers into their back gardens each summer

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post #25
post #7

TLDR to earn (tax free?) money, it has nothing to do with hospitality

It depends - for some, it's a commercial event. For others, like me, it's just an opportunity to challenge yourself and see if you can make delicious food for a bunch of people :) I'll be happy if I can cover the cost of ingredients this weekend, but if not, that's fine too!

TLDR you still want money from your visitors, no matter whether to cover expenses or make profit, that's not what we call hospitality back here in central Europe. Hospitality is when you don't expect anything in return for inviting someone somewhere, can't imagine inviting someone to my place and then charge them my expenses, that's very USan way of invitation...
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