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I stopped trusting USB-C cable labels and started testing them

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Re: I stopped trusting USB-C cable labels and started testing them

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post #105

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The hell Apple or Google cares.

Apple should care because customers will blame slow charging times and slow transfer speeds on the phone

I think Apple much rather tells users that this is exactly what they warned them about when they were forced to support USB-C and will advise users to only buy official cables from Apple.

Re: I stopped trusting USB-C cable labels and started testing them

#122
post #85

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So, call it USB-D or something, if one cable is significantly different (in purpose, performance, form factor) than another cable. Don't just call everything the same label, and let the non-technical buyer beware.

USB-A has many variants and we don’t call it a different connector. Heck, USB-B and micro USB both have 3.0 variants that are physically different and we don’t call them something different either. I don’t see the problem here. This is just semantics, especially when they aren’t even labeled period… people just see a cable and will try plugging it in.

  > USB-A has many variants
  > especially when they aren’t even labeled period
What are you talking about? USB-A is color coded. You'll frequently see white and blue. Admittedly this is harder with USB-C because the size, but I don't see why we can't label these things. Not labeling just leads to confusion and fraud.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/storage/u...

Re: I stopped trusting USB-C cable labels and started testing them

#123
post #72

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Unless you want all cables to be thick, $60, and cap out at 1 meter long, this is not a reasonable standard. 480mbps USB-C is perfectly adequate for many applications. Likewise for 60W cables.

So, call it USB-D or something, if one cable is significantly different (in purpose, performance, form factor) than another cable. Don't just call everything the same label, and let the non-technical buyer beware.

USB-C1, USB-C2, USB-C3, etc... we had the CAT naming for a while

Re: I stopped trusting USB-C cable labels and started testing them

#124
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USB-A has many variants and we don’t call it a different connector. Heck, USB-B and micro USB both have 3.0 variants that are physically different and we don’t call them something different either. I don’t see the problem here. This is just semantics, especially when they aren’t even labeled period… people just see a cable and will try plugging it in.

The other USBs are no better TBH. I still remember USB Full Speed and USB High Speed. Do you remember, without looking it up, which one is faster? Same form factor, same physical connector.

No, but I can tell you which is faster by looking at the color

Re: I stopped trusting USB-C cable labels and started testing them

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LTT has created true spec cables with the actual spec mentioned on the cables but they can not keep up with demand despite being expensive get sold out as soon as new stock comes in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfovjw7Ts_U&t=974s

Didn't they not care enough and not put vendor id on their cable. Which results some devices rightfully refusing to operate at high powers... Or am I miss remembering something.

Re: I stopped trusting USB-C cable labels and started testing them

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> But I shouldn't have had to do any of this. It's time cables came with a label of their own, or some sort of color coding. There shouldn't even need to be a label. A USB-C cable should be a USB-C cable should be a USB-C cable. There should be a single connectivity/performance spec, and if the cable meets it, it can be called a USB-C cable, and if it doesn't, it should have to be marketed as USB-JUNK or something. T…

> There shouldn't even need to be a label. A USB-C cable should be a USB-C cable should be a USB-C cable.

I think you are confused. USB-C refers to the connector type, not the cable, let alone the protocol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C

Also keep in mind that the standard supports cables with USB-C connectors in one end and USB-A connectors in another end. What do you expect the USB-C end to do?

Re: I stopped trusting USB-C cable labels and started testing them

#128
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you want all cables to be thick, $60, and cap out at 1 meter long, this is not a reasonable standard. 480mbps USB-C is perfectly adequate for many applications. Likewise for 60W cables.

So, call it USB-D or something, if one cable is significantly different (in purpose, performance, form factor) than another cable. Don't just call everything the same label, and let the non-technical buyer beware.

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Re: I stopped trusting USB-C cable labels and started testing them

#129
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you want all cables to be thick, $60, and cap out at 1 meter long, this is not a reasonable standard. 480mbps USB-C is perfectly adequate for many applications. Likewise for 60W cables.

So, call it USB-D or something, if one cable is significantly different (in purpose, performance, form factor) than another cable. Don't just call everything the same label, and let the non-technical buyer beware.

> So, call it USB-D or something,

USB-C is the connector type, not the cable. The connector type supports multiple protocols, including for interoperability with other connector types as a cable can have USB-C in one end and something else in the other end and users expect the cable connection to just work the USB way.

Re: I stopped trusting USB-C cable labels and started testing them

#130
post #82

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> There shouldn't even need to be a label. A USB-C cable should be a USB-C cable should be a USB-C cable. Then USB is forever frozen in time, unless we start using new connectors. This was the tradeoff we got when standardizing on one connector. The protocol versions change (USB, USB-PD, Thunderbolt), the cables that go between each connector change based on the needs of the spec they supports. But the connectors sta…

> just use whatever cable came with the device the problem comes when the device and cable get separated, and the cable is "helpfully" organized into the bin with the rest of the USB-c cables.

Oh how this brings back memories of finding all my cables all rolled up and tucked together as if a cable is a cable.
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