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Re: The Web We Lost

#131
I am suprised nobody mentioned it already, but the Google Wave Protocol [0] was exactly about bringing some of these properties back to the Web: easily discoverable information, real-time data feeds, decentralization of content, running your own "site", etc.

The author said "we've abandoned [these] core values", and this is precisely why Wave failed: people don't care enough about these values.

[0] http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/05/hello-world-meet-goog...

Re: The Web We Lost

#132

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My Google Reader account is surprised to learn that RSS is dead. How else do you keep up with updates on a bunch of different sites? (Serious question.)

That's "easy" in 2012: You Like them on Facebook (and wait for them to pay $$$ to promote their postings to get into your newsfeed).

As a user, if you want to get every posting from a Facebook page, you can select to be notified on all updates.

With a little work (not easy for people who don't care a lot about it) you can create an RSS feed for any Facebook page:

http://sem-group.net/search-engine-optimization-blog/subscri...

and then read that content in your RSS reader.

Re: The Web We Lost

#134
post #56

I agree with Anil 110% that the Web he's talking about was, in many, many ways, a Better Web than the one we have today. The problem is that it's worse than the one we have today in the only way that most people care about: it's harder. To participate, it expected you to know how to do a bunch of things that seem trivial to tech folks but frighteningly complicated to everybody else. You had to buy a domain. You had t…

" But to non-technical people, those losses aren't obvious " To most people, those losses aren't losses. You can't lose what you don't have. I don't think its just about techie vs non-techie people. There are plenty of people who could have posted photos online 15 years ago that didn't until more recently. Accessibility is one thing, a critical component. But, culture is another essential part. It's a component hoste…

"You can't loose what you don't have"

Like privacy, like knowing you're being a product, like helping facebook, google and pals map you, your friends, your friend's dog,...

Seriously...

A smartphone is a tracking device that can make calls. An app is a tracking sotftware that can display pictures.

That's what you lose. Maybe people don't care, but i guess that if they had a chance to understand what's really at stake, they would care and reconsider.

Nothing is free. At least in the earlier days of the web people understood that, because everyone payed some sort of bill. And bills without hidden costs, sortof help people think what it is they are (or are not) paying for.

Re: The Web We Lost

#135
I Think Anil went too melancholic with this article. It doesn't give us any clue of the bad things, he just feels the current web isn't right, to my point of view, "the past was better" argument always fails, because in the past there were more chaos than current one, just look how bad was the web 10 years ago with crappy websites coded with HTML and gifs, search engines that didn't do a good job, no webservices at all functioning properly.

Adapt of die.

Re: The Web We Lost

#136
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My feelings mirror yours... I'm actually building a product that I hope can help re-introduce some spontaneity in people's online interactions, as they journey through the web. Still very early stage though: [redacted] Here's a 60 second concept video: [redacted]

Neat idea. I love the video. How would you recommend creating a video like this? Just get someone good with after effects?

Yep.. and if you can't find anyone, you can hire someone from eastern europe to do it for under $1K.

I've always had horrible results outsourcing dev work, but outsourcing design seems to work just fine.

Re: The Web We Lost

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post #118
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My feelings mirror yours... I'm actually building a product that I hope can help re-introduce some spontaneity in people's online interactions, as they journey through the web. Still very early stage though: [redacted] Here's a 60 second concept video: [redacted]

This seems really cool. How is development coming?

It's in closed beta. I need to add a few features that allow people to locate others, find hotspots, etc before the main release (otherwise you only bump into people on facebook and google)

Probably mid-Jan will open it up entirely as the holidays are almost here :)

Re: The Web We Lost

#138
"...They're amazing achievements, from a pure software perspective. But they're based on a few assumptions that aren't necessarily correct. The primary fallacy that underpins many of their mistakes is that user flexibility and control necessarily lead to a user experience complexity that hurts growth. And the second, more grave fallacy, is the thinking that exerting extreme control over users is the best way to maximize the profitability and sustainability of their networks."

Oh my gosh. This is the GNOME project!

Re: The Web We Lost

#139

:P I hate to add emoticons to this quite serious discussion, but I can't help but think that we've lost; over the course of 40 years, a lot more than the cooperation and interoperability described here. We lost operating systems that expect the user to eventually learn a programming language. We lost the expectation that a user will ever learn one. We lost the early expectations of a peer to peer Internet. We lost th…

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Re: The Web We Lost

#140

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'I would love to hear ideas for ways we can fix this that are realistic' Peer-to-peer social with discovery. A system where companies/people/groups could self-host their own server, companies could host for others, but all the systems could talk to one another. Data gets stored where you want it to - on your own system or on another (though it's portable even there, by design).

You just described email.

Or DNS. Or probably any number of other foundational systems of the internet. At the bottom of it all, the basic concept of communicating data across distributed systems is the internet.

This is where the original post is spot on - the new players are not interesting in distributing, they want to collect and retain, but not share, except in their own limited and controlled ways.

To break out of that you need to break away from centralization. Yes, I don't know how you make this is self-supporting business, but then again, I doubt the Wikipedia folks did either and they went forward (open platform, freely available data), not to mention the folks who wrote the SMTP, NNTP, FTP, HTTP, and every other RFC we have built our global communications on top of.

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