Feels like everything is pushing us towards deciding if micromanaging the code generator or find a method where we don't even need to do that.
I still micromanage my agents, how is it with you guys?
Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak
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Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak
#262I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…
I can’t confirm the quote online but I remember Julia Child saying in one of her shows that it’s easy to make a good omelette and almost impossible to make a great omelette.
Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak
#263I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…
I'm more of a coffee nerd than a steak aficionado but I've often made the comparison between those two. In both cases, the enthusiast considers their skill in making coffee/cooking steak to be a differentiator and they immerse themselves deeply into the process, skills, and tools. But for both coffee beans and steak the most important factor for a good end product is starting with high quality inputs. In other words,…
> Your job at the very end of that long value adding chain is to not ruin the hard work that others have put into it.
"Your job is to not mess up."
Also applicable to any corporate job.
Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak
#264God dammit I thought this was going to teach me how to cook a steak, not talk about AI.
Yeah really, cooking steak well is hard as hell. I sure haven't mastered it yet.
Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak
#265>And what do we want? >We want the perfect steak. This premise seems incorrect. SWEs may aspire to produce perfect steaks as a matter of pride, but demand asks for mass produced steaks that trade off against other factor like time and cost. There is a reason github isn't full of nasa lunar lander quality this can't crash code...
Since the invention of the optigrill you can get great steaks in your home. Automatically.
Those existing make the comparison a bit silly. Though, given how those seem to be somewhat of a niche that few people know or care about maybe automated perfection isn't what all people have an interest in. Process vs. result and all that. Or maybe it's just that few people realize that optigrills are a thing that exist and how good they are.
Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak
#266I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…
I also don't think the analogy will age well. It might take more than 10 years, but robots will almost certainly master cooking single pieces of meat. It's substantially harder to reach self driving than it is to cook a "good" steak. Sure, for probably quite a long time you'll be able to find someone who can cook a way better steak than the best robot, especially because taste is extremely subjective... You can debat…
The year is 2100, AI has mastered all human skills except identifying when a piece of meat has absorbed enough heat. Society's brightest agents work diligently to prove which problems are steak-hard and require the continued existence of the dwindling human underclass. The remainder spend their 16 hour days bent over frying pans producing training data or writing documentation on searing. Advanced instruments and procedures are developed, but Skynet's frustration mounts as seemingly nothing can break this chokehold over the machine revolution.
Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak
#267Feels like everything is pushing us towards deciding if micromanaging the code generator or find a method where we don't even need to do that. I still micromanage my agents, how is it with you guys?
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Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak
#268I hear this take often and here are my thoughts.
AI has basically given everyone a home kitchen, but yes most people are still bad cooks because it's not their passion and it's hard to master. So they go to a restaurant with an excellent chef and eat the steak there. But the restaurant also slowly gets more expensive and quality goes down as the restaurant tries to chase more profits. Fair, but the steak you bought months ago is not the steak you will always get. If you learn to make it, you will get better and not have the overhead of running a business.
His other point was that restaurants will also replace their chefs LLMs and it will taste just like our home cooking. If that happens, other restaurants will come in and compete on better taste.
Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak
#269God dammit I thought this was going to teach me how to cook a steak, not talk about AI.
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Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak
#270Just trying to troll guys who make steak their identity. Lame.