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Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by angoragoats »

bigyabai wrote: post #305
joenot443 wrote: post #268

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> The flipping robots underneath this post which have nothing to do with his message demonstrates to me the ridiculousness of X, that is a reminder of the cess pit that these social media platforms have become. Who are the flipping robots you're talking about? Do you mean HN posters or X users? It's a shame you've had such a poor experience on X. The site isn't perfect by any means, but it's become one of the only pl…

> It's a shame you've had such a poor experience on X. The site isn't perfect by any means, This line is identical to what deluded Twitter users said when they wanted me to join the site. "Yes, look past the NFT features, ignore the bots and the advertising and the brand accounts, disconnect from the hustle culture and make sure to block this list of artists. Used ironically, then the site is great!" X and Twitter ar…

Thank you for speaking truth; I hope you don’t get flagged like I did.

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Post by angoragoats »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #211
whattheheckheck wrote: post #120

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Dont forget stealing and leveraging all of journalist and politician Twitter phone data for his own nefarious means

Twitter abused phone data (handed out for 2FA) way before Musk took over.

This is not in any way a counter to the post you’re replying to; both can be true.

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Post by rsynnott »

modeless wrote: post #247
danpalmer wrote: post #118

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Setting aside any feelings about Musk, ad quality, or even product direction choices like locking down public access... I'm not sure I agree. My experience of Twitter was that the web app was reasonable and reliable. That reliability seems to me to have been collateral in the transition, a bunch of things broke, famously 2FA for a while, a few redirects broke in the domain switch, the public access lockdown also pres…

Twitter was famously unreliable for practically its entire existence. Don't remember the "fail whale?"

I do, yes... from about 2009. Twitter was fairly reliable for a good while.

Re: I'll be stepping back from leading product for X

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Post by rsynnott »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #190
mmonaghan wrote: post #57

People love hating on x and nikita but both the app & web experience have improved dramatically over the last year+. He's done a great job in a year and there seems to be even more internal stuff he's improved that we haven't seen.

Improved how? You can now generate child porn in app? You can only pay for a decent experience but can't hide the badge of shame? Commenting, posting, even reading tweets vanishes for hours at a time with no acknowledgement or retrospective? To pay the worst people you've ever met to stir up farcical drama for pay? Sure, the site is still working, but to call it improved is stretching the word to its breaking point

The most egregious one, IMO, is the pay-for-attention 'feature' (bluetick replies end up at the top). _Everyone knows this is a terrible idea_. Dating sites have known it's problematic for 30 years (these days, those that still allow pay-for-attention tend to ration it, because otherwise peoples' swipe stacks or grids are full of, well, the sort of people who pay for attention on dating sites, which are probably not the sort of people you want to date). And yet they did it.

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Post by danpalmer »

rsynnott wrote: post #313
modeless wrote: post #247

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Twitter was famously unreliable for practically its entire existence. Don't remember the "fail whale?"

I do, yes... from about 2009. Twitter was fairly reliable for a good while.

Exactly, this issue was really solved by the mid 2010s. Twitter had a much longer run (10+ years) of solid reliability than they did of spotty reliability (2-3 years?).

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Post by what »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #239
what wrote: post #101

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There may be a single feed, but it’s definitely a bunch of “disconnected communities”. That’s why half the people think HN is pro-AI and the other half thinks it’s anti-AI. Everyone gets the same feed but interact with different content on that feed and come to completely different conclusions.

Those are different individual values, not different communities. All of the conversation is co-mingled in the same threads that everyone sees. Everyone is expected to follow HN rules. 1 person can be a part of multiple communities. An example of different communities would be subreddits. Reddit as a whole connects all of the communities with a front page, but each community is isolated from one another unless you ch…

That’s a silly definition. In real life everyone has access to the same street (feed) with the same shops/restaurants/bars/etc (posts), but people choose which of this they go to and they each have their own vibe. They don’t typically cross pollinate. So there are different “communities” within a “community”. Surely you don’t read and interact with every post, only those you are interested in.

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Post by brigandish »

locknitpicker wrote: post #265
brigandish wrote: post #205

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People are still allowed to share their experience and opinions without citations being a requirement.

> People are still allowed to share their experience and opinions without citations being a requirement. Expressing feelings and staying assertions are two different things. If you go around saying the sky is red and someone asks you for the source, it's not reasonable to throw a tantrum while desperately trying to move the goalpost by weaseling around with excuses such as "well aktchualy it feels red to me" nonsense…

Where was the tantrum? I think a citation should be provided, else concerns about straw man arguments might not be allayed.

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Post by inemesitaffia »

angoragoats wrote: post #312
jasonvorhe wrote: post #211

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Twitter abused phone data (handed out for 2FA) way before Musk took over.

This is not in any way a counter to the post you’re replying to; both can be true.

It's an unproven claim regardless

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Post by sevenseacat »

bbreier wrote: post #80
kypro wrote: post #53

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I want to echo this point. My X feed is not full of politics either. It tends to just be a mix of stuff I engage with, and I tend to engage with stuff I find interesting or funny. Lots of economic and tech stuff, and some memes. I often hear people say the same thing about the YouTube algorithm which also confuses me because the YouTube algorithm is amazing at surfacing a wide range of content I'd never had watched b…

I'd like to address the YouTube claim-- I find it really quickly leaps from my algorithm into a terrible place, from innocent clicks. One of the more common examples of this in my experience is: I want a video demonstrating the form for a specific lift. I watch it. My feed is immediately 80% weight lifting content, much of which overlaps straight into toxic material I would never engage with. I run into this issue co…

I really wish there was a way to tell all of the algorithms like "I found the info I needed on , STOP SHOWING IT TO ME". You want to buy a new dishwasher, you look up dishwashers, you buy one. You'll still see nothing but dishwasher ads and content for the next year across the entire internet....
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