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Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by BeetleB »

pseudosavant wrote: post #56
BeetleB wrote: post #4

I don't like Elon Musk. I don't like Grok or xAI. Or X. Or Twitter before. I also don't like articles that try to bias readers with irrelevant details: > This includes Grok, which has thus far been involved in controversies including but not limited to: > Spreading antisemitic slurs and conspiracies while calling itself "Mecha-Hitler" > Creating widespread non-consensual nude images of primarily women and children >…

Hard to call them "irrelevant details" when they are facts, and that this data center is specifically used to run this AI for anti-semitic, pro-Hitler, and CSAM content. It would be bad enough if the data center was used to research cures to cancer, but instead it is creating nudes of children.

Facts and "irrelevant details" are not mutually exclusive.

> It would be bad enough if the data center was used to research cures to cancer, but instead it is creating nudes of children.

Sorry, but what it is being used for is irrelevant to whether it is flouting the laws.

As I said in my original comment, the reason I stopped reading was because the language was trying to bias readers. And as the responses show, they sure as Hell did.

It seems critical reading is becoming a lost skill.

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by brandonagr2 »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #52
maerF0x0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

solely about the FSD part of your comment. I got a chance to ride in a 2024 edition of the system this year and I was shocked at how good it was. Was it level 5? of course not. But from my very lay understanding of level 3 it seemd to have achieved all that I would have assumed a computer could reasonably do.

None of that matters, unless you can buy a Tesla with FSD enabled. This has been promised so many times, for so many years, that it's become a bit of a joke.

You can, https://www.tesla.com/fsd

Are you trying to invent your own definition for self driving and quibble that supervision negates what the car is doing?

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by efitz »

culi wrote: post #2

> In the latest example of corporations existing outside of the law, SpaceX (who is for some reason the controlling entity of xAI now) announced they'll be removing the illegal, unpermitted gas turbines they've been running at their Memphis Colossus data center... by July 2027. This is the thing the HN crowd doesn't seem to get whenever a post is on here about data centers. They are often times doing outright illegal…

Of course the government has permission to punish crime. However government officials might find themselves in a courtroom having to demonstrate how they applied the law equally, and would be subject to discovery to see if they were being corruptly influenced (there is organization and international funding for the anti-data center movement in the US”; there is very little grassroots opposition other than typical NIMBYism you see in all development projects).

And the government would have to pay to fight and might be on the hook if they lost.

And “clearly breaking the law” isn’t always clear; I don’t k ow anything about this particular case but it sounds like zoning or applying utility laws to non-utility companies or environmental regulations being used to make construction financially untenable. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for opposition to off-grid natural gas turbines; you don’t get much cleaner off grid power that works 24x7.

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by BeetleB »

fabian2k wrote: post #53
BeetleB wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The statement of irrelevant facts. It's like criticizing Stallman's hygiene. Who cares?

> Creating widespread non-consensual nude images of primarily women and children That is an example of ignoring laws and regulations. So that is certainly relevant as context to the current case where the company is ignoring laws and regulations.

> That is an example of ignoring laws and regulations.

OK. Let me ask you: Is the article about those laws and regulations?

I'm well aware of all these problems. They are simply not relevant to data center violations.

Again: Stallman having bad hygiene is irrelevant to whether his opinions on various matters is problematic.

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by jadar »

culi wrote: post #36
jadar wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stopped at "f*ck*ss". Irreverent drivel is unserious and a waste of time.

This isn't a formal publication. This is the type of post that used to be celebrated in hacker culture. The type of post that purposefully flounders respectability politics even if it's just for aesthetic forms of rebellion. Clearly it's offending the type of people it meant to :)

That's some form of success.

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by basisword »

culi wrote: post #2

> In the latest example of corporations existing outside of the law, SpaceX (who is for some reason the controlling entity of xAI now) announced they'll be removing the illegal, unpermitted gas turbines they've been running at their Memphis Colossus data center... by July 2027. This is the thing the HN crowd doesn't seem to get whenever a post is on here about data centers. They are often times doing outright illegal…

>> The populist uprising against them is happening because people have tried everything else first

From everything I've seen the populist uprising is happening because 99% of the people shouting don't know anything about data centers other than "bad".

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by jcranmer »

efitz wrote: post #63
culi wrote: post #2

> In the latest example of corporations existing outside of the law, SpaceX (who is for some reason the controlling entity of xAI now) announced they'll be removing the illegal, unpermitted gas turbines they've been running at their Memphis Colossus data center... by July 2027. This is the thing the HN crowd doesn't seem to get whenever a post is on here about data centers. They are often times doing outright illegal…

Of course the government has permission to punish crime. However government officials might find themselves in a courtroom having to demonstrate how they applied the law equally, and would be subject to discovery to see if they were being corruptly influenced (there is organization and international funding for the anti-data center movement in the US”; there is very little grassroots opposition other than typical NIM…

> government officials might find themselves in a courtroom having to demonstrate how they applied the law equally

The government has no obligation to apply the law equally, although they are prohibited from applying the law unequally to achieve certain discriminatory aims.

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by ibero »

BeetleB wrote: post #59
lukeschlather wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The things you're calling irrelevant actually flout a number of regulations in various jurisdictions, if your read news about xAI you should be familiar with the examples.

> The things you're calling irrelevant actually flout a number of regulations in various jurisdictions Elon (or Grok) espousing racist views is not flouting data center related regulations. His business practices are.

you don’t think “Creating widespread non-consensual nude images of primarily women and children“ is illegal somewhere/anywhere?

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by giantrobot »

BeetleB wrote: post #48
jalev wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would these be irrelevant when they're examples of Musk biasing the LLM? Do you think these things came out of nowhere?

Correct me if I'm wrong: Is the article about a badly acting LLM?

Just because the machinery in the building grinds puppies into pulp doesn't mean the building itself is bad. I don't get what the big problem is!

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by bigfishrunning »

brandonagr2 wrote: post #62
bigfishrunning wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of that matters, unless you can buy a Tesla with FSD enabled. This has been promised so many times, for so many years, that it's become a bit of a joke.

You can, https://www.tesla.com/fsd Are you trying to invent your own definition for self driving and quibble that supervision negates what the car is doing?

I'm not redefining self driving, tesla is: https://electrek.co/2025/09/05/tesla-changes-meaning-full-se...

When they first started talking about it in the mid-teens, it was pitched as "read a book or take a nap"

That is not what Tesla is selling in 2026.

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