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Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by buster »

nicholassmith wrote: post #38
btipling wrote: post #26

Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position. All these editors like Sublime Text 2, Chocolat, Light IDE, Cloud9, etc fail at very basic task: sticking around. They also fail at another task: being available everywhere. If a new decent editor shows up, it wont be shiny, it wont grab headlines on HN with a fancily designed website, it will simply grow popular slowly, be added to pa…

I use Sublime on Linux/OS X/Windows. Please tell me more about how my editor of choice isn't available everywhere? If you're a sysop, or a devop and you spend a non-trivial amount of time remoted to strange and random servers then learning vim or emacs is a good choice. Unless its a Windows server.

As a Linux user, as soon as you have SSH access to that strange server you can easily use gvfs to use sublime-text remotely, it's working great and is sooo simple to use..

It's probably not worth for a quick "let's change a setting in /etc/xyz" edit but it's worth it for everything else!

p.s.: i'm quit esure mac os x can do the same and in windows there is some third party app for remote ssh access/mounting.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by Tichy »

I know I am a minority, and I am not very likely to switch to a new editor anyway, but I'd like to point out that not everybody watches videos. And if it absolutely has to be a video, why not make it work without flash? I'd have to switch browsers to watch the video, and since I don't even like watching videos, I just won't check out this amazing new editor.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by rdl »

btipling wrote: post #26

Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position. All these editors like Sublime Text 2, Chocolat, Light IDE, Cloud9, etc fail at very basic task: sticking around. They also fail at another task: being available everywhere. If a new decent editor shows up, it wont be shiny, it wont grab headlines on HN with a fancily designed website, it will simply grow popular slowly, be added to pa…

I use vi, emacs, iawriter, and sublime text fairly simultaneously. I love the iCloud support in iawriter (for short notes, etc.). I love sublime text for beauty. I use vi for config files or when things are going badly on a system. I use emacs by default.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by subsection1h »

Derbasti wrote: post #39
btipling wrote: post #26

Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position. All these editors like Sublime Text 2, Chocolat, Light IDE, Cloud9, etc fail at very basic task: sticking around. They also fail at another task: being available everywhere. If a new decent editor shows up, it wont be shiny, it wont grab headlines on HN with a fancily designed website, it will simply grow popular slowly, be added to pa…

I have a feeling that we might add Sublime to that list at some point. It is cross-platform and easily extensible. I hope it can survive long enough to accumulate enough plugins and developers and be open-sourced at some point. But that I'm an Emacs guy.

    I hope it can survive long enough to accumulate enough plugins
I don't think I'll ever understand why people would invest time (e.g., hundreds of hours over the course of years) extending closed source software over which they have so little control. So many people used TextMate until the development slowed. And now these same people seem to have jumped to Sublime Text. Did they port all the TextMate plugins they had written? Or did they not write any TextMate plugins to begin with? I'm guessing the latter because when I've browsed collections of config files at GitHub, the people who use closed source editors tend not to extend them, which is probably a wise choice.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by mcrider »

subsection1h wrote: post #54
Derbasti wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling that we might add Sublime to that list at some point. It is cross-platform and easily extensible. I hope it can survive long enough to accumulate enough plugins and developers and be open-sourced at some point. But that I'm an Emacs guy.

I hope it can survive long enough to accumulate enough plugins I don't think I'll ever understand why people would invest time (e.g., hundreds of hours over the course of years) extending closed source software over which they have so little control. So many people used TextMate until the development slowed. And now these same people seem to have jumped to Sublime Text. Did they port all the TextMate plugins they had…

AFAIK, text mate bundles can be dropped into ST2.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

nnq wrote: post #20

How hard would it be for someone to build and IDE (with nice code browser, refactoring and all the smart stuff... like JetBrains products) on top of or incorporating an editor like Sublime or Textmate? I'd pay an arm and leg for IDEA or PyCharm with Sublime as the text editor (or something else with multiple cursors and all the "shiny" editor stuff), and the ability to launch either the full IDE or just the editor an…

> (or something else with multiple cursors

IDEA supports multiple cursors, actually, ;).

As for IDE support, I find Sublime text extended with a few key plugins to be just as good as a proper IDE when it comes to (in my case) front-end development; JS checking with JSHint, syntax highlighting for html/js/less, quick HTML using ZenCoding, andsoforth.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by subsection1h »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #36
btipling wrote: post #26

Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position. All these editors like Sublime Text 2, Chocolat, Light IDE, Cloud9, etc fail at very basic task: sticking around. They also fail at another task: being available everywhere. If a new decent editor shows up, it wont be shiny, it wont grab headlines on HN with a fancily designed website, it will simply grow popular slowly, be added to pa…

Good grief. Emacs and VIM use has actually been going down since the 90s as a percentage of the developer community, and no one is predicting that they will regain market share. And back to the original article, live programming and rich editing experiences is the future; emacs and VIM will go the way of the typewriter and x-terminal.

    Emacs and VIM use has actually been going down since
    the 90s as a percentage of the developer community
The quality of the developer community seems to have gone down since the 90s. Maybe the OP should have stated "Eventually every great developer's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position." At least, this has been my experience.

     live programming and rich editing experiences is the future
I was previously assured that VPLs were the future.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by arctangent »

btipling wrote: post #26

Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position. All these editors like Sublime Text 2, Chocolat, Light IDE, Cloud9, etc fail at very basic task: sticking around. They also fail at another task: being available everywhere. If a new decent editor shows up, it wont be shiny, it wont grab headlines on HN with a fancily designed website, it will simply grow popular slowly, be added to pa…

> Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position.

I respect the wit (a lot), but I'm not sure this the opinion you profess is really true of everyone in general.

I can type plenty fast and my muscle memory is kinda crazy insane... Notepad++ gets me everywhere I ever need to go.

I spend most of my time trying to write the least amount of code possible rather than worrying too much about what editor I use for writing my code.

Not trying to argue. Whatever floats your boat etc.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by 3amOpsGuy »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #36
btipling wrote: post #26

Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position. All these editors like Sublime Text 2, Chocolat, Light IDE, Cloud9, etc fail at very basic task: sticking around. They also fail at another task: being available everywhere. If a new decent editor shows up, it wont be shiny, it wont grab headlines on HN with a fancily designed website, it will simply grow popular slowly, be added to pa…

Good grief. Emacs and VIM use has actually been going down since the 90s as a percentage of the developer community, and no one is predicting that they will regain market share. And back to the original article, live programming and rich editing experiences is the future; emacs and VIM will go the way of the typewriter and x-terminal.

>> Emacs and VIM use has actually been going down since the 90s as a percentage of the developer community

My Google-Fu is coming up short, i can't corroborate this. Can you provide any links to data confirming this claim up?

I took a stab at getting some stats by searching stack overflow / server fault / super user for vim questions, emacs questions, textmate and sublime, vim comes out top by a long way, emacs next, the other 2 are a rounding error.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by subsection1h »

mcrider wrote: post #55
subsection1h wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope it can survive long enough to accumulate enough plugins I don't think I'll ever understand why people would invest time (e.g., hundreds of hours over the course of years) extending closed source software over which they have so little control. So many people used TextMate until the development slowed. And now these same people seem to have jumped to Sublime Text. Did they port all the TextMate plugins they had…

AFAIK, text mate bundles can be dropped into ST2.

Nice, thanks for the info. That was a great move by the ST2 developers.
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