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Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by jackb4040 »

BeetleB wrote: post #4

I don't like Elon Musk. I don't like Grok or xAI. Or X. Or Twitter before. I also don't like articles that try to bias readers with irrelevant details: > This includes Grok, which has thus far been involved in controversies including but not limited to: > Spreading antisemitic slurs and conspiracies while calling itself "Mecha-Hitler" > Creating widespread non-consensual nude images of primarily women and children >…

The applications are not tangential, they're an irreplaceable tool the hyperscalers relied on to get us where we are now. Pollution is bad but it's a different story if it's curing cancer vs making nudes of female politicians. This is like the fundamental principle of effective altruism, which everyone in tech industry leadership used to justify their negative externalities on the way up. Now that they're being asked to show results it's out the window.

I mean, that's the good faith argument anyways. I suspect you don't actually care, and just also believe in South African white genocide etc.

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by jadar »

BeetleB wrote: post #4

I don't like Elon Musk. I don't like Grok or xAI. Or X. Or Twitter before. I also don't like articles that try to bias readers with irrelevant details: > This includes Grok, which has thus far been involved in controversies including but not limited to: > Spreading antisemitic slurs and conspiracies while calling itself "Mecha-Hitler" > Creating widespread non-consensual nude images of primarily women and children >…

I stopped at "f*ck*ss". Irreverent drivel is unserious and a waste of time.

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by culi »

Terr_ wrote: post #5
culi wrote: post #2

> In the latest example of corporations existing outside of the law, SpaceX (who is for some reason the controlling entity of xAI now) announced they'll be removing the illegal, unpermitted gas turbines they've been running at their Memphis Colossus data center... by July 2027. This is the thing the HN crowd doesn't seem to get whenever a post is on here about data centers. They are often times doing outright illegal…

Similarly, I have a rant from last night [0] which connects it to Federal versus State laws and enforcements. > TLDR: Corrupt crooks have sabotaged the normal careful legal-compromise route, so they are partly to blame when American communities seek hard-line measures instead. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49193606

Or even state vs local. These developers have a LOT of money and often use it to pass state level legislation that prevents cities or counties from having a say in these projects.

Take Hood County where a Texas senator prevented them from considering a construction pause. Or West Virginia’s Power Generation and Consumption Act which completely banned local government oversight. Or Georgia’s HB 1059 Siting Mandates. I could go on and on but the point here is the playing field is not level. These data centers often have the power to completely skirt local zoning laws and regulation. And even when they do it illegally, there's rarely any consequences

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by solid_fuel »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #16
BeetleB wrote: post #4

I don't like Elon Musk. I don't like Grok or xAI. Or X. Or Twitter before. I also don't like articles that try to bias readers with irrelevant details: > This includes Grok, which has thus far been involved in controversies including but not limited to: > Spreading antisemitic slurs and conspiracies while calling itself "Mecha-Hitler" > Creating widespread non-consensual nude images of primarily women and children >…

What part offended you? The statement of fact?

Many such cases

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by mft_ »

While organisations are only ever hit with affordable financial penalties, it's rational for them to weigh up the likely penalty vs. the opportunity cost of not doing something illegal in their decision-making.

If we want to prevent such behaviour (and in case it's not clear from the above, I think we should) then we either need far more brutally punative financial penalties, or for executives to be held personally and criminally liable in such cases.

Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout

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Post by palmotea »

deepsun wrote: post #17
culi wrote: post #2

> In the latest example of corporations existing outside of the law, SpaceX (who is for some reason the controlling entity of xAI now) announced they'll be removing the illegal, unpermitted gas turbines they've been running at their Memphis Colossus data center... by July 2027. This is the thing the HN crowd doesn't seem to get whenever a post is on here about data centers. They are often times doing outright illegal…

Yes, and big part of it is public is ok with that. For example, did you protest while Uber was breaking many local laws while growing?

> Yes, and big part of it is public is ok with that. For example, did you protest while Uber was breaking many local laws while growing?

I never supported what Uber, either. Why would you assume anyone did?

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