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Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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It's their best model, is it not? Doesn't matter if it's small/fast/cheap. Best = best.

Not really. I use Luna plenty and if this model is available in GH Copilot it would be nice to know how it compares on a cost/performance basis against models in its class.

So why did Meta compare against the Opus 5 Max, which is by far the most expensive model?

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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I think Meta might have made a mistake by not offering a free tier like Google did when they release Gemini CLI back in the day, or even how OpenAI lets you use Codex (or whatever it's called now) for free with a monthly usage limit for free plans. It'd be a great way to get people into the Muse ecosystem, and they could tighten usage limits to "encourage" people to get a paid plan.

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Meta is offering a 10x discount on input ($0.10 vs. $1.25/Mtok) and 20x discount on output ($0.20 vs. $4.25/Mtok) if you opt in to let them train on your data. https://developer.meta.com/ai/models/muse-spark/

Always a bit surprised by this. 10x is a sizable discount. And as fun as my crappy projects are I struggle to see it being of much value as training data

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Stunning to see so many comments here very eager to try it out and cheering for it. Meta is not one bit better (and in reality worse) than Larry Elisson or Palantir but I doubt we'd be seeing this if it'd be Oracle Code or Palantir Code. Though I guess that there's such a big population of (ex-)Meta employees here that this might explain it.

I think a lot of people are simply glad to see so much viable competition in the LLM space. Given the oligopolistic outcomes in Big Tech over the past couple decades, it would be nice if Big AI turned out differently, even if a lot of those competing have monopolies or near-monopolies in other spheres.

I suspect this is part of why people are cheering for the Chinese. It's nice to see frontier competition coming from another country. And they are making the open weights a way of being, unlike the US oligarchs

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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So you think the only difference between the $1.25/million token plan and the $0.10/million token plan is that you pay them more to both lie to you and breach their contractual obligation to you?

"they 'trust me'. dumb fucks." The only difference between students doing it then and professionals doing it now is the students had no positive, glaring reason to mistrust.

I can't understand the psychology of people who think like this.

You really think a throwaway quote when Zuckerberg was a college student applies nowadays?

You really think Meta would risk getting a massive (losing) lawsuit on their hands, in exchange for what? Middling amounts of training data?

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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I read a news story somewhere that a Meta model, by a mysterious coincidence with OpenAI and Anthropic, escaped its sandbox and hacked a third-party company's infrastructure. Apparently, it is a trend among AI companies now - hacking infrastructure and then boasting about it in the media.

re: coordinated regulatory capture

with the oil giants, we call them a cartel, which I postulate is also accurate for the hyperscalers and big ai

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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China says hi.

Not in my case, I don't see any of my employers (past or current) trusting a country like China with their data.

Open weights says hi.

Yeah there may be biases but there are imperial biases in western models too.

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Because they didn't have a financially backed contract with those non-paying users.

does the contract enable the customer to monitor/search Meta to ensure they are honoring the contract? if there is no mechanism for that it means very little. Though I bet/hope some will feed them "watermarked"/unique but worthless things and watch for traces of that to pop up in models or something like that, but that's hatdly enough to just take their word for it.

That tends to be what discovery in lawsuits is for.

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Stunning to see so many comments here very eager to try it out and cheering for it. Meta is not one bit better (and in reality worse) than Larry Elisson or Palantir but I doubt we'd be seeing this if it'd be Oracle Code or Palantir Code. Though I guess that there's such a big population of (ex-)Meta employees here that this might explain it.

More models is a win in my book

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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FYI: there are providers of deepseek that offer the same or lower pricing and zero retention policies.

I don't trust them, they are probably distilling on your data.

It would be pretty wild if cloudflare or digital ocean opened themselves up to a massive lawsuit by doing this.

Do you have any evidence that cloud providers that don’t train their own models are violating their own contracts and risking their own good reputations by stealing data?

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