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Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by Derbasti »

nnq wrote: post #20

How hard would it be for someone to build and IDE (with nice code browser, refactoring and all the smart stuff... like JetBrains products) on top of or incorporating an editor like Sublime or Textmate? I'd pay an arm and leg for IDEA or PyCharm with Sublime as the text editor (or something else with multiple cursors and all the "shiny" editor stuff), and the ability to launch either the full IDE or just the editor an…

There are some fairly awesome Vim plugins out there for various IDEs. In fact, I would consider their availability a great feature of Vim!

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by venomsnake »

Derbasti wrote: post #40
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good grief. Emacs and VIM use has actually been going down since the 90s as a percentage of the developer community, and no one is predicting that they will regain market share. And back to the original article, live programming and rich editing experiences is the future; emacs and VIM will go the way of the typewriter and x-terminal.

Right. Who uses terminals these days?! Except just about every developer I know.

Disclaimer: Every is defined as not including a lot of developers on Microsoft platforms, web developers, Java Enterprise developers etc ...

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by mwill »

I feel so conflicted whenever I see any new editor, ide or environment setup, since I instinctively want to check it out and get excited, but I know that I will likely never leave vim. Light Table in particular has a bunch of ideas (I mean the theoretical best case scenario stuff, I haven't given the alpha a good look) that I wish I could see myself using.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by georgemcbay »

nicholassmith wrote: post #38
btipling wrote: post #26

Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position. All these editors like Sublime Text 2, Chocolat, Light IDE, Cloud9, etc fail at very basic task: sticking around. They also fail at another task: being available everywhere. If a new decent editor shows up, it wont be shiny, it wont grab headlines on HN with a fancily designed website, it will simply grow popular slowly, be added to pa…

I use Sublime on Linux/OS X/Windows. Please tell me more about how my editor of choice isn't available everywhere? If you're a sysop, or a devop and you spend a non-trivial amount of time remoted to strange and random servers then learning vim or emacs is a good choice. Unless its a Windows server.

I'm increasingly using Linux on ARM devices. Sublime Text 2's non-support for ARM has really been limiting its usefulness for me lately.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

venomsnake wrote: post #43
Derbasti wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. Who uses terminals these days?! Except just about every developer I know.

Disclaimer: Every is defined as not including a lot of developers on Microsoft platforms, web developers, Java Enterprise developers etc ...

Parent did qualify that with "every developer I know." We tend to live in bubbles and don't see the big picture. Like "everyone I know programs in C++" is definitely true in some circles.

How many of us use x-terminals these days? I was referring to the hardware, not the emulation program. Perhaps parent lives in a world where they have a bunch of surplus DEC or HP X terminals and haven't moved on to PCs yet. Or perhaps parent just misunderstood my comment.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by yole »

nnq wrote: post #20

How hard would it be for someone to build and IDE (with nice code browser, refactoring and all the smart stuff... like JetBrains products) on top of or incorporating an editor like Sublime or Textmate? I'd pay an arm and leg for IDEA or PyCharm with Sublime as the text editor (or something else with multiple cursors and all the "shiny" editor stuff), and the ability to launch either the full IDE or just the editor an…

First of all, it's far, far easier to write a plugin adding the "shiny" editor stuff to an IntelliJ Platform-based IDE. As far as the editor features are concerned, the only stuff Sublime does that would be non-trivial to implement in IntelliJ-based IDEs is multiple cursors - but it's still far less work than building an engine for all the smart stuff.

Second, all the smart stuff has performance costs. As soon as you're building a complete model of the codebase and updating it in real time, you're losing all the low CPU/memory usage benefits of a plain text editor.

Really, the only aspect in which we fell the pain of not being native is font rendering on Linux (which has a crappy implementation in AWT and there's little we can do about it). Other than that, it's not a problem at all to integrate as many editor features as you like into a JetBrains IDE.

Re: Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

nicholassmith wrote: post #38
btipling wrote: post #26

Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position. All these editors like Sublime Text 2, Chocolat, Light IDE, Cloud9, etc fail at very basic task: sticking around. They also fail at another task: being available everywhere. If a new decent editor shows up, it wont be shiny, it wont grab headlines on HN with a fancily designed website, it will simply grow popular slowly, be added to pa…

I use Sublime on Linux/OS X/Windows. Please tell me more about how my editor of choice isn't available everywhere? If you're a sysop, or a devop and you spend a non-trivial amount of time remoted to strange and random servers then learning vim or emacs is a good choice. Unless its a Windows server.

Emacs is perfectly capable of running on an ASCII terminal. I suspect Sublime is not.
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