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Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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That "simple process" requires equipment most people don't own or know how to operate, an oil most people don't keep in their cupboards, and is suggested in a book most people haven't heard of by a tech CTO they would not recognise the name of. Honestly this is like the Dropbox comment all over again. Everyone is missing the point, it's glorious. :) Most people cooking steaks don't care about the optimal way to cook…

Corn oil is cheap and available at costco. A sous vide is a fancy french name for a $150 device from target that keeps water at a specific temperature... This "simple process" is much, much simpler than most meals one cooks at home. It's not much harder than microwaving something. You are missing the point. With a small change in the way you do something, the really good thing can be made.

I read corn oil while I expect 3 star Michelin steak. What are we talking about oO

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

I'm more of a coffee nerd than a steak aficionado but I've often made the comparison between those two. In both cases, the enthusiast considers their skill in making coffee/cooking steak to be a differentiator and they immerse themselves deeply into the process, skills, and tools. But for both coffee beans and steak the most important factor for a good end product is starting with high quality inputs. In other words,…

I'd say that using a manual espresso machine and getting good tasting coffee from light roasted beans is vastly harder than making a good steak.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Cooking a genuinely good steak also requires almost no skill. I can give you a chicken scratch note with 3 bullet points and it will come out nearly perfectly.

I was going to say the same thing. 2.5m per side+rotation plus another 2.5 plus or minus 20s depending on heat

But I actually got something out of this -- which is that maybe before now, humans had to soak up the complexity of where value was made in software. And you saw this in the highest and best paid engineers in science and platform teams and basically that you had to invest in brains where you thought the value in your product was.

Without humans managing complexity, you have no idea where you should be investing once the product grows out of the concept stage

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

I was just curious asked chatgpt: How can I make a really great steak myself? What to look out for, what to do. Give me detailed instructions. I got a really good answer (including - cut, temperature and reverse searing), so I probably won't even need understanding. (Oh - and yes, I can cook - the answer mirrors what I already know). Yes, it was a very, very poor analogy, because cooking a steak is a well known and w…

I compare this to doing my first smoke (was gifted a smoker).

AI gave me the cut, the temp, the timing, the things to watch out for.

Chicken's the best to try first, can't mess that up.

After goodness knows how many hours..

Pretty inedible leathery chicken..

"Oh my bad! I gave you the timings for a different meat"

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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> Well, we don't know that, because neither have been achieved. Sure, we will completely ignore Waymo and move goal posts...

Is it moving the goalposts to ask Waymo to demonstrate a drive across America and not in well mapped cities with only lower speeds? How did we define "self driving"?

No True Scotsman only drives in the city. All True Scotsmen drive across the entire U.S. of A.

Waymo has completed 20 MILLION autonomous rides, 6.5m last quarter alone...

At what point does it get to say it can self-drive? When there's not a single non-self-driven car left on the road?

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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You are protected in two ways: The first, and by far most important is that unlike ground meat, your bacterial concerns are almost entirely on the surface. Unless something very very very wrong has occurred in the processing and transport chain, bacteria will not have penetrated into the meat. And if it's gotten bad enough that they have, you will almost certainly be able to see and smell it. And the surface is cooke…

This is why rare steak is ok, but rare ground beef hamburgers are not. Although less cooked through burgers are sometimes served in restaurants that grind their beef fresh right before cooking

I mean, rare ground beef hamburgers are pretty much fine too. They have a higher risk of contamination, yes, but that does not make it a particularly high risk. I eat burgers, made from pre-ground beef, cooked rare all the time and I have yet to get sick from it even once.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Is it moving the goalposts to ask Waymo to demonstrate a drive across America and not in well mapped cities with only lower speeds? How did we define "self driving"?

No True Scotsman only drives in the city. All True Scotsmen drive across the entire U.S. of A. Waymo has completed 20 MILLION autonomous rides, 6.5m last quarter alone... At what point does it get to say it can self-drive? When there's not a single non-self-driven car left on the road?

>drive across the entire U.S. of A.

I'm still working on collecting the drive to all states badge. I've only accomplished half. I calculated my total driving since getting a license recently and its approx. ~360k miles or around 17k miles a year.

If Waymo can eventually handle rural life in the US I'd be seriously impressed.

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