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Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Post by qlte » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 6:13 PM UTC

AlanAzarkin wrote: post #187

I read a news story somewhere that a Meta model, by a mysterious coincidence with OpenAI and Anthropic, escaped its sandbox and hacked a third-party company's infrastructure. Apparently, it is a trend among AI companies now - hacking infrastructure and then boasting about it in the media.

Holy shit I was 90% sure you were joking. I get called an AI “cynic” but apparently I’m not actually cynical enough to predict how these big AI labs operate.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/meta-ai-model-hacked-outside-com...

Eagerly waiting to see what escalation the next round of corporate copycat hysteria will bring (ordering boxes of paperclips?)

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Post by hereme888 » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 6:15 PM UTC

meric_ wrote: post #216

hereme888 wrote: post #204

Tibo took care of the reply: https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2085229896968651198?s=20 And someone corrected the Zucked graph: https://x.com/FightForReason_/status/2085398470425219508/pho...

I'm not sure why they even included Opus in the graph. This is effectively a flash/haiku model & should only be compared against Luna

It's their best model, is it not?

Doesn't matter if it's small/fast/cheap. Best = best.

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Post by phoghed » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 6:27 PM UTC

hereme888 wrote: post #232

meric_ wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why they even included Opus in the graph. This is effectively a flash/haiku model & should only be compared against Luna

It's their best model, is it not? Doesn't matter if it's small/fast/cheap. Best = best.

Not really. I use Luna plenty and if this model is available in GH Copilot it would be nice to know how it compares on a cost/performance basis against models in its class.

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Post by phoghed » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 6:28 PM UTC

dizhn wrote: post #170

gcr wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a great way to get your account revoked.

How come?

Because it wouldn’t stop you from running up a bill and owing the money, would just stop Meta from being able to charge you.

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Post by lenerdenator » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 6:34 PM UTC

Honestly not getting the bet from Meta here. A few weeks ago, they signed the letter about not regulating open models. Now they're dropping this. Are they going open and hosting the models for others, or are they still doing closed frontier models that fall into the same trap as Anthropic/OpenAI?

Or is it just whatever Zuck has to do to be 1% not villain that week?

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Post by customguy » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 6:35 PM UTC

simonw wrote: post #98

bdangubic wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the idea of this pricing strategy but there is no way meta is not training on your data regardless of your monthly invoice

So you think the only difference between the $1.25/million token plan and the $0.10/million token plan is that you pay them more to both lie to you and breach their contractual obligation to you?

"they 'trust me'. dumb fucks."

The only difference between students doing it then and professionals doing it now is the students had no positive, glaring reason to mistrust.

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Post by phoghed » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 6:36 PM UTC

youre-wrong3 wrote: post #43

wxw wrote: post #26

Last I heard, everyone at Meta was using Claude Code. Any insiders know how Muse Code is doing internally?

So were Microsoft employees until they got forced to use copilot. Everyone seems to think MS got rid of Claude Code due to cost but it had nothing to do with cost. Employees weren’t even using copilot. Can’t make a product better if you don’t use it. Meta should be the same. Use your own product.

Idk why they wouldn’t use it. It’s fine, and it’s good that you get all the models rather than locking yourself into Claude models when GPT-5.6 exists. Claude Code did have a big advantage early on before GH Copilot got agent mode though.

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Post by lenerdenator » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 6:41 PM UTC

qlte wrote: post #224

embedding-shape wrote: post #211

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> the best western open-weight models If they were sitting on that and could release those, they for sure would. AFAIK, they still haven't released Llama 4 Behemoth, so kind of feels like it's evident what has happened, they aren't able to compete anymore.

Would they? To me it feels like we’re past the dreamy early days of the AI boom (in the US) and now investors want to see the tech monopolies actually start building the new cash printing machines they’ve been promising with the hundreds of billions in capex burned over the last few years. Maybe a Gemma sized model that couldn’t self-cannibalize but releasing a top open Kimi K3 sized model seems like it could start t…

> Meta investors’ patience

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here: this is Meta.

Mark Zuckerberg holds majority control of the company, and so far, he does what he wants with it. This is up to and including what was essentially a digital real estate scam, overhiring during the pandemic, automated CSAM distribution, the Cambridge Analytica scandal, and engagement tactics that might have fed into ethnic violence against Rohingya in Myanmar.

If he simply wanted to release a frontier-class open-weight model and offer a paid hosting service for those who wanted to run it off-prem, that would be, far and away, the least patience-wearing thing he's done to the bag-holders who hold the rest of the shares in Meta.

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Post by customguy » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 6:42 PM UTC

simonw wrote: post #175

teiferer wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does money change that trust? They certainly have breached their word on this in the past (for non-paying users of Facebook).

Because they didn't have a financially backed contract with those non-paying users.

does the contract enable the customer to monitor/search Meta to ensure they are honoring the contract? if there is no mechanism for that it means very little. Though I bet/hope some will feed them "watermarked"/unique but worthless things and watch for traces of that to pop up in models or something like that, but that's hatdly enough to just take their word for it.

Re: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2

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Post by AnodicElegy » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 6:54 PM UTC

deaux wrote: post #228

Stunning to see so many comments here very eager to try it out and cheering for it. Meta is not one bit better (and in reality worse) than Larry Elisson or Palantir but I doubt we'd be seeing this if it'd be Oracle Code or Palantir Code. Though I guess that there's such a big population of (ex-)Meta employees here that this might explain it.

I think a lot of people are simply glad to see so much viable competition in the LLM space. Given the oligopolistic outcomes in Big Tech over the past couple decades, it would be nice if Big AI turned out differently, even if a lot of those competing have monopolies or near-monopolies in other spheres.