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Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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post #103

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I know people who can cook a lot of food pretty well, but don't understand why they can't use a laser thermometer to check their meat. Knowing really is half the battle.

Ok, using a laser thermometer for food is hilarious. Thanks for this xD

I use it to spot check the temp of my cast iron pan all the time.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

I also don't think the analogy will age well. It might take more than 10 years, but robots will almost certainly master cooking single pieces of meat. It's substantially harder to reach self driving than it is to cook a "good" steak. Sure, for probably quite a long time you'll be able to find someone who can cook a way better steak than the best robot, especially because taste is extremely subjective... You can debat…

How many analogies age more than 10 years anyways? They are contextual. It will be a while before a robot flips steaks cheaper (and better) than a human line cook.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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God dammit I thought this was going to teach me how to cook a steak, not talk about AI.

To get a perfect steak with nice X-shaped sear marks on both sides: 1. Turn grill on all the way. Close lid. Wait for grill's gauge to reach >400 F (>200C). 2. Put steak on grill. Close lid. Wait 2 minutes. 3. Rotate steak 90 degrees, placing on a fresh section of the grill (not where it just was). Close lid. Wait 2 minutes. 4. Flip steak over, placing on a fresh section of the grill (not where it just was). Close li…

350º internal temp for medium done?

Maybe you forgot to include the glue on your pizza as well.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

#124

I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

Am I the only one who thinks the "reverse sear" is like cheating? It takes out all of the skill when you move from the pan to the oven, and I lose all of the fun in learning to be chef.

I agree, it's cheating.

My bad hot take is if you're using a meat thermometer and reverse sear to cook steak, you're like a kid on training wheels.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

#126

I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

I also don't think the analogy will age well. It might take more than 10 years, but robots will almost certainly master cooking single pieces of meat. It's substantially harder to reach self driving than it is to cook a "good" steak. Sure, for probably quite a long time you'll be able to find someone who can cook a way better steak than the best robot, especially because taste is extremely subjective... You can debat…

> It's substantially harder to reach self driving than it is to cook a "good" steak.

Well, we don't know that, because neither have been achieved.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also don't think the analogy will age well. It might take more than 10 years, but robots will almost certainly master cooking single pieces of meat. It's substantially harder to reach self driving than it is to cook a "good" steak. Sure, for probably quite a long time you'll be able to find someone who can cook a way better steak than the best robot, especially because taste is extremely subjective... You can debat…

> It's substantially harder to reach self driving than it is to cook a "good" steak. Well, we don't know that, because neither have been achieved.

> Well, we don't know that, because neither have been achieved.

Sure, we will completely ignore Waymo and move goal posts...

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

#128

God dammit I thought this was going to teach me how to cook a steak, not talk about AI.

To get a perfect steak with nice X-shaped sear marks on both sides: 1. Turn grill on all the way. Close lid. Wait for grill's gauge to reach >400 F (>200C). 2. Put steak on grill. Close lid. Wait 2 minutes. 3. Rotate steak 90 degrees, placing on a fresh section of the grill (not where it just was). Close lid. Wait 2 minutes. 4. Flip steak over, placing on a fresh section of the grill (not where it just was). Close li…

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Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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post #69

I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

Agreed. I'm an avid cook. Sous vide circulators are cheap now, and so are meat thermometers. Doing a steak well is one of the easiest cooking tasks, to the extent that I won't bother paying top dollar in a restaurant because it's so easy to do restaurant quality at home. I could teach someone to cook a restaurant quality steak in a couple hours and a few practice runs.

I've made steak probably 100 times in the past decade (sometimes with a sous vide) and I don't think I've ever made one I would say is great. Certainly not as good as what I can get at a good restaurant.

I think what my home steaks are really missing is the crust from salamander broiler. I don't have anything at home that can exceed 1000 F / 550 C.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

#130

I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

Agreed. With steak, the main point is to let the quality of the meat speak for itself. Too much input from the cook and you just get in the way of this.
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