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Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me

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Post by Funes- »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #86
Funes- wrote: post #71

Wait. Is it not against the HN guidelines to regularly submit links to your own sites? Isn't that considered self-promotion and, thus, against the rules? I've got nothing against the author, personally, as I'd do the same, but seeing his submission page, I'd like to know how normal getting in trouble is for this practice or if the guidelines are enforced at all in this sense.

emailing hn@ycombinator.com is possibly a better way to raise a question about moderation like this fyi. mods may not see this comment but they probably will see a direct email. theyre probably the only ones who can answer your question / nudge you in a direction of understanding appropriately.

No, I don't think it is. I didn't want to reach the mods necessarily. I wanted to check what the picture was regarding the general opinion on this kind of practices, hopefully with personal experiences from regular users rather than, potentially, getting some kind of formal statement that is further from what the actual moderation activity is like, either coming from moderators themselves or from users flagging or downvoting content.

Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me

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Post by thataccount »

krapp wrote: post #88
thataccount wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someday people will be able to disagree politically again without having to de-platform each other for doing so.

On the one hand, sure, but on the other hand I'm not hosting a Nazi bar and there are some political conversations I'm simply not interested in having. But I'm not even trying to filter for politics, really, so much as literal humanity and basic decency. Just that has become a hard problem. Dealing with trolls whose entire identity is performative politics is another.

I totally get that, but I also understand that the word "Nazi" has been redefined to mean something other than what it originally meant. This whole "redefinition" of language business has muddied the waters of trying to find literal humanity and basic decency. It is akin to redefining the word "hate" or "love". What you or I feel subjectively as hate or love in a given moment may be due to Vaseline on the lens of reality. If we start making decisions for everyone on that basis, well, all we are doing is getting confirmation of the reality we are projecting.

Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me

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Post by dillutedfixer »

dylan604 wrote: post #80
dillutedfixer wrote: post #60

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Exactly. I remember a website from the late 90s that let anonymous users control an LED sign in some shopping mall in Japan. More often than not there were things like swastikas and penises on the board. This type of behavior is nothing new, unfortunately.

Did these LED controls actually control lights or did they just switch out images?

It controlled lights. IIRC there was a grid of squares on the website that you could click on to turn specific lights on or off. There was a webcam pointed at the sign that refreshed every few seconds so you could see the changes. I remember the sign being right above an escalator.

Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me

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Post by krapp »

thataccount wrote: post #92
krapp wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand, sure, but on the other hand I'm not hosting a Nazi bar and there are some political conversations I'm simply not interested in having. But I'm not even trying to filter for politics, really, so much as literal humanity and basic decency. Just that has become a hard problem. Dealing with trolls whose entire identity is performative politics is another.

I totally get that, but I also understand that the word "Nazi" has been redefined to mean something other than what it originally meant. This whole "redefinition" of language business has muddied the waters of trying to find literal humanity and basic decency. It is akin to redefining the word "hate" or "love". What you or I feel subjectively as hate or love in a given moment may be due to Vaseline on the lens of rea…

"What even is a Nazi" is a perfect example of a conversation I'm not interested in, because at the end of the day it's just an endless semantic treadmill.

My definition is what matters to me. If you're a white supremacist, white separatist, antisemite, transphobic or homophobic, if you support fascist ideals and violence as a means to political ends, If you think Hitler did nothing wrong, if you think immigration and multiculturalism are objectively harmful to "civilization," that Islam is a "religion of evil" or that the "degenerates" needs to be put against the wall, then I'm going to call you a Nazi and I don't want to hear what you have to say about anything. No I'm not interested in litigating those terms either.

And yes, some of these can be laid at the feet of the left as well as the right. I don't fuck with tankies and BRICS-pilled socialists either.

Not every platform has to be a culture war battleground.

Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me

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Post by 9Ljdg6p8ZSzejt »

cestith wrote: post #87
9Ljdg6p8ZSzejt wrote: post #69

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When I checked it out, the chat was a cesspool of racism, zionism, and horny dudes. Occasionally cool fish emojis.

Right now there’s some minor probing, trying to get the site to print variables. There’s racism against Blacks. There’s antisemitism. There are a few people actually trying to say hi to one another. Then there’s a bot that replies to absolutely everyone and invites them to their gay male Chaturbate channel.

Looked like people were trying to command inject the bot. Seemed to work a bit too

Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me

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Post by saulpw »

schaefer wrote: post #76
dpkirchner wrote: post #59

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By my recollection the devolution started around 30 years ago.

Suspiciously close to the birth of the modern internet?

That's not suspicious, that's the load-bearing smoking gun.

Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me

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Post by FatalLogic »

verzali wrote: post #75
saaaaaam wrote: post #63

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It’s a blog post written by AI. AI makes everything ponderously dramatic.

That explains the opening line: >Sometimes the most irrelevant piece of a project becomes its absolute protagonist.

That looks more like a very bad overly-literal translation of Spanish 'protagonista absoluto'. AI generated English would not probably use a phrase which doesn't normally happen in English.

'Main focus' would be better in this situation

Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me

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Post by andros »

nivertech wrote: post #23
JSR_FDED wrote: post #20

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What is there to take seriously? Sending a ~50 bytes to ~200 listeners over a websocket about once a second is trivial even for a Raspberry Pi.

It pretends to be serious with 5 tables / charts: Django LiveView vs Phoenix LiveView: a real benchmark https://en.andros.dev/blog/80134668/django-liveview-vs-phoen...

How would you have approached it?

Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me

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Post by andros »

rkangel wrote: post #48
nivertech wrote: post #23

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It pretends to be serious with 5 tables / charts: Django LiveView vs Phoenix LiveView: a real benchmark https://en.andros.dev/blog/80134668/django-liveview-vs-phoen...

Yeah, maximum concurrent clients being 50 is nothing and you're already seeing a large gap. That is the whole point of the BEAM - it scales well with concurrent stuff which is important with web in general and very important for LiveView.

50 is the hardware limit, not a personal choice. The code is free and accessible from the article itself. If you can run tests with more, I'd be happy to update the graphs and the conclusion.

Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me

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Post by cestith »

The whole premise seems clueless about security, accountability, and human nature. A free, fully anonymous, unauthenticated, ephemeral chat is like a middle school bathroom at best. There’s not even a concept of screen names to carry a reputation like in open IRC chat. It was always going to be this.
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