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Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by infogulch »

infogulch wrote: post #85
manmal wrote: post #21

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Their ACP integration is good (finally), at least with Codex. For when I want to be near the code, I prefer it now over TUIs or the Codex app. It feels much more immediate that way. Sticking to the basics will kill them IMO. They have been pitching themselves as agent-native for a while btw. And the workflow they are describing in the post sounds amazing, I‘ve been wishing for that. It‘s orthogonal to CVS, no? You ca…

Unfortunately their Zed agent is completely broken when running on Windows connected to WSL/SSH remote because the terminal tool checks for paths using the local Path style (windows) which breaks when applied to paths on the remote (linux). I fixed this and a couple related issues in a PR but it hasn't gotten any attention yet. I guess they are a bit swamped. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/59937

Merged, thank you Richard! :)

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by Freaky »

internet2000 wrote: post #96
NoDodgeQuestion wrote: post #6

Zed should focus on basics. When it focuses on basics Zed is good. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/54150 failing to show newly created files and declining to provide a refresh button, instead adding a polling backend, breaks Zed on WSL. Why a new version control system? Why not git, jj, or another existing system?

I don't want Zed to focus on accommodating WSL's quirks.

How about accommodating basic fundamentals like file change notifications not being universally reliable?

All my code lives on the other end of a Samba share. Guess what doesn't work reliably.

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by conartist6 »

dlisboa wrote: post #274
jon-wood wrote: post #270

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They're projects where there's not a payment page to buy a copy sure, but VSCode especially has I'm sure indirectly led to a ton a of profit - its the natural home of Copilot, integrated with Github (including in their paid product Codespaces), and has I'm sure led to a ton of standardisation and productivity increases across the company.

Indirectly, maybe 8 years after Electron was first started, and not for the company that first invested in Electron. My point yet again: only companies with money to burn can take that gamble.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the company that invented Electron was Github, and you could argue that Github's technical investments did all pay off very richly.

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by conartist6 »

Squarex wrote: post #277
Nnnes wrote: post #227

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Gram Editor. It's actively maintained. I know people disagree over definitions of "hard fork". Gram does not send patches to Zed but does occasionally merge fixes from Zed. There is not any specific effort to keep (non-AI) feature parity. https://gram-editor.com https://codeberg.org/GramEditor/gram

Why does the author hate the AI so much?

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Post by Cort3z »

NoDodgeQuestion wrote: post #6

Zed should focus on basics. When it focuses on basics Zed is good. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/54150 failing to show newly created files and declining to provide a refresh button, instead adding a polling backend, breaks Zed on WSL. Why a new version control system? Why not git, jj, or another existing system?

I’m not saying zed necessarily should be the one to do this, but in regards to "why not git, jj.."; if we don’t explore the fringes, how do we know if we are at local or global optimum with current solutions?

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by bjackman »

phoghed wrote: post #268
bjackman wrote: post #231

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I don't want someone "to make it simpler for developers to follow changes applied by an LLM in an ergonomic fashion". I want a text editor. I want "VScode without the bullshit". That's what I thought they were building.

Then go get a text editor? They’ve been around for decades. Use sublime text for all eternity. Why even complain here when what you want is a solved problem?

I'm not satisfied with any of the text editors I've used (I've used all the big ones for a few years each).

Zed was a promising new direction I.e. VSCode minus the bullshit. But it's not getting the polish / productionisation it would need to actually be a better editor than the others. And now it doesn't look like it will.

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Post by NoDodgeQuestion »

gwerbin wrote: post #276
neya wrote: post #165

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> They'll re-invent/re-write things constantly Re-invent is fine, that's how we actually get the good stuff we use. Re-write (frequently) is usually a sign of bad power dynamics in the team, code rot and generally bad engineering management, in my experience. That's why most React shops end up in this vicious cycle of constant re-writes of a perfectly fine working system for this reason. Yeah, must be really nice get…

Sometimes I feel like the software field is just begging to be "disrupted" by AI. So much bad management and useless wheel-spinning, all with salaries far above what is typical for any given area. It's like taxis and Uber. Yes it's probably bad long-term that local taxi companies have been replaced by a mega-corporation. But there were so many bad taxi companies with rude dispatchers, lazy drivers, cars that show up…

Are there any fields where you feel managers and workers don't suck?

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by madeofpalk »

dividedcomet wrote: post #253
bjackman wrote: post #231

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I don't want someone "to make it simpler for developers to follow changes applied by an LLM in an ergonomic fashion". I want a text editor. I want "VScode without the bullshit". That's what I thought they were building.

I’m building an in-terminal IDE over at https://github.com/paradise-runner/toast that does this. No AI, no telemetry, just a text editor that has it all baked in and is easy on the eyes.

Defining “it all” is exactly the problem here.

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

NoDodgeQuestion wrote: post #6

Zed should focus on basics. When it focuses on basics Zed is good. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/54150 failing to show newly created files and declining to provide a refresh button, instead adding a polling backend, breaks Zed on WSL. Why a new version control system? Why not git, jj, or another existing system?

If I understand correctly, something like DeltaDB has always been part of the plan. Zed is a moonshot to reimagine collaborative development from the ground up. The editor, developer communication, the way changes are tracked, everything.
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