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Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities

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Re: Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities

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> It's a concept that's difficult to replicate elsewhere, but Lydon compares it to what made old Main Street America so special. Designing at a people-first scale pays off. "The smell of fried croquettes drifting onto the streets, small shops run by the building owners, easy public transit access, a feeling of safety and community for all ages… it's hard to overstate how well this all works." Honestly, even though I…

> smell of fried croquettes drifting onto the streets, small shops run by the building owners, easy public transit access The genius of the BBC is to gloss over that in a culture that isn't Japanese these things all easily become negatives. Who wants the smell of other people's food, maybe from a cuisine you hate? Or new local businesses cannot start because they can't buy property limiting options for consumers? And…

All of your complaints sound like someone who is projecting American values and behavior onto another culture.

> Or new local businesses cannot start because they can't buy property limiting options for consumers?

Are a lot of new local businesses starting up in America's suburbs? Is it a problem to have the same shops operating in the community for decades if they serve the community's needs?

Even in Manhattan I saw 'shops' which seemed to have a similar square footage to my bathtub; if there's an opportunity people will find a way.

> And public transit stops become noise and litter parties.

If you have garbage cans at your transit stops and your populace are respectful towards each other then this is also not a problem. If your idea of a transit stop is somehow also some kind of rowdy social event then the problem is not urban planning.

Fundamentally though this is a common American attitude. Look at something that's new and different and say "This would be bad for these reasons", ignoring the fact that dozens of other Western and Eastern countries with dozens of different cultures and behaviors all do these things and it all works out fine.

It's the same as the argument about health care. Socialized medicine would be bad for reasons X, Y, Z, even though if you look at countries which have socialized medicine and a similar standard of living you'll see that not only do those countries not have those problems but also those countries have better health outcomes, longer life expectancy, and more efficient healthcare.

You say that none of this stuff would work in "a culture that isn't Japanese", but what you really mean is that it wouldn't work "in a culture which is American", so maybe that's a good place to start looking for things to change.

Re: Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities

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Probably because you need separation from the culture to fully evaluate and appreciate it. If they interviewed someone from Japan, that person would probably complain about how un-livable Japan has become. Like the subway trains are always full and they have to wait five minutes for the next one.

Re: Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities

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It's brief but it's not simple. "Manners" is an extremely complicated concept.

What qualifies as good manners varies from situation to situation, but the concept of acting with good manners is hardly complicated (conform to the expected behavior of the situation). Enforcment is a matter of encoding the rules and then applying a carrot and/or stick -- same as any other rule.

"Conform to the expected behavior of the situation" is incredibly complicated. What is the situation? How do you determine what the expected behavior is? What exactly does conforming consist of?

It takes humans years to learn how to do this. Entire books are written on the subject. A major medical disorder affecting millions of people includes a persistent difficulty doing this specific thing. Even normal people have to put serious effort into this if they visit a place where societal norms are different from what they're used to.

If it's not complicated, then I'm sure you can write down the rules for some specific situation real quick. Go ahead....

Re: Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities

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i'd be interested learning how you've come up with that - it's disinformation. i'm speaking from extensive, direct experience.

> I'd be interested learning how you've come up with that - it's disinformation. i'm speaking from extensive, direct experience. I live here and have eyes. But tell me more about "disinformation." Tokyo metro's standard for accessibility is to have one route that is accessible from street level to the platform. That's fine, but it's a far cry from every entrance being accessible, or even just ensuring that you don't…

i use the subway here nearly everyday - many different routes, not just touristy areas, often to small stations on the outskirts of the city, or other places i haven't been, just for fun. i don't think i've ever seen a station with only one elevator, it's always at least one platform-to-ticket-gate, and one ticket-gate-to-ground (maybe that's what you meant). the worst i've experienced has been a wheelchair-accessible stair lift or escalator (a bit dreadful, but they do work). if you want to do some random sampling, pull up a random station map and check the accessible routes.

(i use a wheelchair.)

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America is too big to compare it with one single city of Canada.

Canada wins either way. You can notice this on reddit discussions too - they are absolutely upset about the orange king. And that motivates Canadians to do better than Americans now - after all you don't want the orange king to be able to ruin Canada here.

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Re: Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities

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> smell of fried croquettes drifting onto the streets, small shops run by the building owners, easy public transit access The genius of the BBC is to gloss over that in a culture that isn't Japanese these things all easily become negatives. Who wants the smell of other people's food, maybe from a cuisine you hate? Or new local businesses cannot start because they can't buy property limiting options for consumers? And…

All of your complaints sound like someone who is projecting American values and behavior onto another culture. > Or new local businesses cannot start because they can't buy property limiting options for consumers? Are a lot of new local businesses starting up in America's suburbs? Is it a problem to have the same shops operating in the community for decades if they serve the community's needs? Even in Manhattan I saw…

> Fundamentally though this is a common American attitude. Look at something that's new and different and say "This would be bad for these reasons"

Among the other bits of wrongness in your comment this is spectacular. Americans are utterly addicted to novelty.

Japan being a well functioning society is not "new and different".

Re: Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities

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I can tell you haven't been to japan, the noise and litter issues aren't as much of a problem there. Get to the bottom of why that is and you'll probably have a good understanding where the problems to address are.

Is it the monoethnicity?

Do you think being prosocial is genetic?

Re: Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities

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America is too big to compare it with one single city of Canada.

Canada wins either way. You can notice this on reddit discussions too - they are absolutely upset about the orange king. And that motivates Canadians to do better than Americans now - after all you don't want the orange king to be able to ruin Canada here.

The single most frustrating thing about being in Canada is they can't even work out how to use their current grievances to deal with, you know, getting out of our own way like the crazy inter provincial trade restrictions. And yet the complex remains.

One of the insane aspects of this is it's genuinely easier to deal with foreign countries than other parts of the same country . . . but I digress.

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That kind of thing is extremely rare in the US sadly.

Nowadays. The last 50 years haven't been kind to people in the US.

I'd feel more sorry if they hadn't voted for it every two years for the last 50.
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