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Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by tremon »

tadfisher wrote: post #187
yndoendo wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like three strikes and the CEO, top executives, and three primary share holders go to jail while forcing the company to dissolve seems to be the only solution to removing bad actors in corporate settings.

Careful, I was called a "radical" on this site for suggesting a corporate death penalty. Because jobs are so important that when a corporation risks its own existence so it can break laws, dissolving the corporation as punishment is the government's fault and not the corporation's.

A corporate death penalty does not necessarily imply all jobs are lost. The government can simply nationalize all assets, use standard vulture capital methods to restructure the business, them auction each business unit off to competitors. Only first-tier management and investors would be directly impacted.

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by tremon »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #210
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #119

Guys, it's fine. Relax. It's only a crime if someone else does it or is not sufficiently wealthy, otherwise it's a mistake.

I believe that is referred to as: organised crime.

Rather, this is institutional crime. Organised crime is when crime operates its own control structures in defiance of government enforcement; this is the government actively allowing the crime to proliferate.

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by xtajv »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #11

All their fines are merely a cost of doing business, and they won't change their ways until the fines hurt.

I appreciate recent EU regulations choosing to penalize corporations on the basis of a percentage of revenue.

It effectively mandates a lower-limit on spend for budgeting purposes.

Sure, that money might be spent ineffectively... but corporations will figure it out if their only options are to

1. Not invest in regulatory compliance at all and get fined for noncompliance.

2. Throw money at the problem, spend it inefficiently, and STILL get fined for noncompliance.

3. Throw money at the problem, spend it well enough to pass muster, avoid fines.

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

inigyou wrote: post #253
happymellon wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need Revanced as I already have uBlock Origin.

For YouTube on a desktop OS you also want Sponsorblock. On a mobile OS, you want Revanced/Morphe as it integrates Sponsorblock into the app.

> For YouTube on a desktop OS you also want Sponsorblock.

No. I don't. uBO suffices. Maybe with some additional rules and lists which aren't in its default setup.

Maybe it also depends on the sort of content one watches, but I tried, and it did nothing for me, except one extension more running. Which I tend to try to minimize.

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by FireBeyond »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #270
FireBeyond wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, screw ups become a certainty. But these are screw ups that the company doesn't meaningfully care to fix. Just as we'd have an issue with a company that has OSHA findings that they continue to ignore. But with Facebook, "Our automated review found nothing wrong with [this ad that implies a young child performing sexual activities]". Also, speaking of statistics, what? > statistically you're going to get 9.2 of yo…

Yes sorry, man-workyears not man-hours. > "Our automated review found nothing wrong with [this ad that implies a young child performing sexual activities]" That's also a screw-up, and they should be fined accordingly, proportional to the amount of harm this screw up is causing to society. If there are any practical steps they can take to fix the problem, that should incentivize them to do so. But if for whatever reas…

> It's like if you tried to insist construction companies evacuate all workers from the construction site before operating any heavy machinery. Maybe that would save some lives, but it would also be completely impractical.

There's a degree of "consent" here - yes, certainly, one can choose not to be a FB user. But if the sites you visit utilize FB's ad program, well, you can still get hit. Construction workers understand that their work is not zero risk (as are many jobs - I used to work in Fire/EMS), but that is tempered by OSHA etc., that have teeth. You can't (at least in theory) keep operating a construction company that operates unsafely and outside regulations or laws and say "it's all good, I'm just going to pay the fines" - OSHA will shut you down and render you liable to criminal prosecution.

If OSHA was dismantled yesterday (and state-level agencies), and people knowing how some corporations value the dollar versus people, there'd be a lot less people willing to work for riskier companies or in riskier professions.

> It's like if you tried to insist construction companies evacuate all workers from the construction site before operating any heavy machinery.

In an admittedly limited subset of situations, this happens: "Lock out/tag out" systems that can physically prevent the operation of certain equipment if anyone is in the risk zone or performing maintenance. In some cases this is literally akin to a padlock workers carry at all times and put through the power switch of machinery when they go to work on it so someone else doesn't come along and turn it on.

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by FireBeyond »

ticulatedspline wrote: post #230
happymellon wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree with essentially all of this. To get a Facebook account they require all sorts of PII. Why not have people give their PII to set up an advertising account and if they distribute CSAM then they are banned. Removing access to WhatsApp will stop a large portion of the world from participating. And the parts that can't? Well, they can't advertise on Facebook/Instagram anymore.

Probably a case of "hate the game not the player" CSAM is highly illegal, no doubt these accounts are getting banned but likely not charged (who knows what jurisdiction the advertiser is even in) clearly they're able to pass the current bar. This is conjecture but I'd bet that in all likelihood someone at some meeting at Meta has floated the idea of moving impedance to the signup to try to limit this phenomena. Maybe…

You are talking about a company that willingly allowed one of its employees to be arrested when the government of that country was threatening to do so (apropos of the rightness or wrongness of that country in doing so), as a canary in a coal mine of sorts to decide whether they were willing to allow their executive team to travel there...

And then were okay with letting that person sit in jail longer because they thought it'd be better for Facebook PR if they did...

And then when they finally got that person out of jail, and later had him show up at a meet-n-greet with said executive team, Zuck didn't look up from his phone, looked confused, and said to his PA as he was leaving "who was that guy anyway, and why did he need to meet us?"

Or when Burmese dissidents, even the Burmese government itself, said that a FB feature would be used to track down and imprison, torture people the government didn't like, Zuck and FB leadership said "the feature is doing a lot to improve platform engagement, it needs to stay".

So the answer is worse. It's a combination of "the money" and pure psychopathy and sociopathy at the head of the dragon.

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by gs17 »

jlarocco wrote: post #174
craftkiller wrote: post #60

I've noticed on YouTube I see a lot of adult sexual ads. Things like home cleaning ads that have an unmistakable wood-grain image of fellatio. I've always wondered "how are these getting past the moderators?". I guess the answer is the obvious one: no one is moderating anything.

Is it surprising? Google and Facebook can barely police the content their human users post.

That seems to be by choice, not because it's inherently difficult at scale. It's not like we see them take things down when you report them, you'll get multiple reviews of "this obvious scam doesn't violate our rules".

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by inigyou »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #275
inigyou wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For YouTube on a desktop OS you also want Sponsorblock. On a mobile OS, you want Revanced/Morphe as it integrates Sponsorblock into the app.

> For YouTube on a desktop OS you also want Sponsorblock. No. I don't. uBO suffices. Maybe with some additional rules and lists which aren't in its default setup. Maybe it also depends on the sort of content one watches, but I tried, and it did nothing for me, except one extension more running. Which I tend to try to minimize.

Did it block sponsors?

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Post by xkcd1963 »

rationalist wrote: post #259
_trampeltier wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most western countrys, is often more than 50% from CSAM from underaged teenagers, like selfies etc. And then are cases like some overmotivated parents post nude baby pictures. I guess such pictures also get flaged. But even if its just 50%, 18 million, your point still standes. Why are not more people in jail.

I don't think parents should overshare pictures of their kids, but FYI, nudity does not automatically mean porn or abuse, even of children (which is legal in the U.S. as long as it is not sexual or focuses on genitals).

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