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Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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> You can advocate for changes to a system while living and existing within the system. I see very little advocating for change and a whole lot of knee-jerk reactions to shut it down. The data center protests near me tried to complain about noise as one of their points, even though the DC was in the middle of nowhere

Other AI DCs can be heard from over a kilometer away.

This data center site was so far away they had to organize bus transport to the area.

Nobody was going to hear it unless they drove to it for the purposes of hearing it.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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> You can advocate for changes to a system while living and existing within the system. I see very little advocating for change and a whole lot of knee-jerk reactions to shut it down. The data center protests near me tried to complain about noise as one of their points, even though the DC was in the middle of nowhere

So what? It's good to have people question the status quo. Shut the stupid AI craze down before it finishes destroying whatever's left of our planet. Or are you not concerned that AI companies are now the n°1 fossil fuel lobbyists in EU/USA? That they are consuming insane amounts of concrete and electricity for 0 gains for citizens (but enormous gains for the elites)?

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Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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> You can advocate for changes to a system while living and existing within the system. I see very little advocating for change and a whole lot of knee-jerk reactions to shut it down. The data center protests near me tried to complain about noise as one of their points, even though the DC was in the middle of nowhere

So what? It's good to have people question the status quo. Shut the stupid AI craze down before it finishes destroying whatever's left of our planet. Or are you not concerned that AI companies are now the n°1 fossil fuel lobbyists in EU/USA? That they are consuming insane amounts of concrete and electricity for 0 gains for citizens (but enormous gains for the elites)?

> Shut the stupid AI craze down before it finishes destroying whatever's left of our planet.

I think a lot of the protestors are using data center protests as a proxy for some other belief like this. They think slowing down a data center is going to stop the future from occurring, which is an illogical fantasy on many different levels.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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This is an incredible amount of hysteria over a tiny data center. Genuine pizzagate levels of epistemics here.

That's not as great example as you think it is.

Pizzagate is a false conspiracy theory driven entirely by outrage culture perpetuating falsehoods and online hysteria. What's the disconnect in their example?

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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This was a very significant talking point through most of covid, actually. Granted, there is an orders-of-magnitude disparity between office buildings and data centers regarding both their resource consumption and their local financial return through employment. Its no surprise that the attitude towards data centers is much more negative.

Not really, no? I'm not saying office buildings are "just as bad" as data centers; I'm saying they're substantially worse. It is much more unpleasant to have an office building next to your home than it is to have one of the CyrusOne Aurora data centers. The data center is --- seriously go look at them --- basically like having a park next door.

This is not true. Office buildings are non issue and also imply more shops, restaurants, cafes and generally walkable environment.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Eminent domain is like the the Thanos snap version of state power in a democratic / capitalist country. The ultimate representation of the peoples will over the individuals desire.

No, this is more like checks and balances: the state, the public, and corporations are kept in check when two of them join together to oppose the third.

It's kind of strange how the state ("of, by, and for the people") and corporations (comprised of people) are such distinct entities with their own interests. The fact that the state and corporations can and do collude in opposition to the public good is at the heart of so many enormous problems.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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> Do you have proof that people are bribing the federal government to ignore federal law? Why does there have to be an actual exchange? “For my friends everything, for my enemies the law.” — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Óscar_R._Benavides#Later_life

My intent is to highlight that unless you have evidence of corruption, accusing people of bribery is just slander by another name. I hold our politicians in no high regard, but I do hold myself to some standard in that I won't accuse someone of corrupt conduct unless I actually have evidence. The point being, it's laughable to slander someone else's morality while you lie to posture your own.

Didn't Elon's DOGE gut the very institutions that would have held him to account?

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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> Do you have proof that people are bribing the federal government to ignore federal law? Why does there have to be an actual exchange? “For my friends everything, for my enemies the law.” — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Óscar_R._Benavides#Later_life

My intent is to highlight that unless you have evidence of corruption, accusing people of bribery is just slander by another name. I hold our politicians in no high regard, but I do hold myself to some standard in that I won't accuse someone of corrupt conduct unless I actually have evidence. The point being, it's laughable to slander someone else's morality while you lie to posture your own.

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

The evidence of corruption is blatant and obvious, a recent notable example has to do with a pool and its failure to be painted appropriately to the tune of $millions.

There are also immeasurable examples of campaign finance law violations (or “Hollywood accounting”) to effectively “legally bribe” politicians.

It’s zero stretch of the imagination that if the politicians are this blatant with what we can see with our own eyes, that there is significantly more sinister activities that happen in the “darkness.”

The corruption of the Federal (and many local) Government has become so blatant and in the open that it has become nearly impossible to trust that it isn’t corrupt to its core.

So sure, stand on a high horse and demand evidence for every statement as society is actively crumbling in front of you.

The problem with “high road” mentality here is that it is not followed by those who are dragging us down, and the bar of needing to provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt takes such high levels of effort to achieve, that it is impossible to counteract the blatant corruption with the same velocity.

It’s the paradox of tolerance, generalized.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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>The water thing is, I think, baloney Just like everything else, it depends! There are designs that don't really use that much water, but there are also ways to build these things that absolutely destroy the local water supply. It's a legitimate concern that shouldn't be a deal killer without any discussion, but it also should be discussed and considered and understood how any given project is planning to use water

> there are also ways to build these things that absolutely destroy the local water supply Has this happened somewhere?

I know of one example where this was a problem, it didn't destroy the local water supply but water usage was absolutely a problem. A family friend is a sales engineer for an industrial/commercial HVAC manufacturer and they had quoted a chiller that I think was basically a swamp cooler, in that it would constantly need new water as it cooled because it was using evaporative cooling

Turns out they could not get enough water from the local water utility and a ground water source was not clean enough so they had to build a water pipeline all the way to a neighboring town to supply water for the chillers

This is what I was talking about, depending on the HVAC setup it may be closed loop but also it could be evaporative swamp coolers that just absolutely destroy a ton of fresh water daily

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