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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't

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Post by franciscop »

gherkinnn wrote: post #37
franciscop wrote: post #3

> "at the time, he was probably mostly thinking of “white European cultures”, and while we can acknowledge how backwards and fucking goofy this is now, we can still admit that Linnaeus’ ideology was simply flawed like his time and NOT throw out the baby with the proverbial bath water" In the 18th century someone living in Europe making science books would definitely be using Latin, maybe French if you were a modernis…

Luckily the author continues with > I say this because a few unthinking “performative leftist” nitwits as of late have decided to attack the science of taxonomy itself).

Sorry, please correct me if I'm wrong but with this follow up he's not contradicting the quote I put, but saying that despite of tha, the science is valid? Which means the bits I quoted are still stated as a matter of fact WITHOUT attacking the science of taxonomy itself. So he's still saying that using Latin in science was "backwards and goofy".

Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't

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Post by ggm »

trentor wrote: post #47
ggm wrote: post #36

Great article with elements of "how to draw an owl" about it. To be really good at botany is simple. Just learn how to be really good at {list of requirements which are themselves recursively complex and challenging, despite being written as one word like "learn"}

I am lost they have training videos, they have a reading list, they have tutorials... everything you need to get started. How else would you acquire skills? There is no upload function yet.

I think there is a common belief if you make a lot of information available, acquiring skills is "easy". It's certainly easier than without, but the thing is, drawing the owl just takes a fucking long time to learn. There are no shortage of online tutes to learn how to draw, the genre is ancient.

Plants mimic each other for advantage facing herbivores. Isn't that fantastic!.

Learning Latin is the least burden here, the problem is that a profusion of morphological features defines set membership and professionals assign a significant role for DNA analysis. We have a hodgepodge, taxonomy has warfare inside.

Botany is great. Being good at it takes time. Being good at anything takes time.

Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't

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Post by dmos62 »

darkwater wrote: post #56
dmos62 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better than PlantNet?

PlantNet seems pretty open as well right? Looks like is from several public institutions so it should be ads and trackers free, can you confirm?

I don't recall running into ads, don't know about trackers. PlantNet hasn't triggered any red flags for myself.

Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't

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Post by brunohaid »

Launching a thing soon to make it more accessible, without sacrificing scientific depth, eg:

https://www.meso.cloud/plants/tracheophyta/magnoliopsida/gen...

Aggregates 780k plants and fungi from many canonical sources (IPNI, Wikidata, GBIF, iNaturalist etc) and tries to present the data in an intuitive and engaging way, lets you search by common names in 300+ languages etc.

Feedback from especially botany nerds very welcome!

Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't

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Post by Gud »

giov4 wrote: post #46

I think nature and plants always interested me since I was a kid. For example I loved to plant from seeds, see them grow, learn and explore a bit with curiosity my mum or aunt plants and when being out in the forest, but not a lot more than that. Later, while growing up, I noticed my brain noticing plants or tree details, auto mapping them to possible genre, trying to find out, trying to memorize... but not always vo…

I got very much into biology when I started growing weed at 24.

Now I can’t not have a little garden(currently growing chilli’s and a citrus tree, from seeds)

Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't

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Post by 7952 »

giov4 wrote: post #46

I think nature and plants always interested me since I was a kid. For example I loved to plant from seeds, see them grow, learn and explore a bit with curiosity my mum or aunt plants and when being out in the forest, but not a lot more than that. Later, while growing up, I noticed my brain noticing plants or tree details, auto mapping them to possible genre, trying to find out, trying to memorize... but not always vo…

It is clearly a very useful skill to have as it helps us find food we know is safe. I think in the modern world this tends to be something most kids don't have an oppurtunity to develop. When in a more natural environment it would be expressed much earlier.

Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't

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Post by metalman »

move you to Caniba and grow you some extra special weed, and sell it all legal like, fuck you could get a job as a "weed inspector", of "canibis quality inspector" here, but the whole industry was built on crime, which has been semi ish, legalised. the Dutch have growing canibis down to a science, but there is a lot of room left, and as prices were set durring prohibition, profits remain very high.

Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't

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Post by avadodin »

HPsquared wrote: post #12

The article actually is about botany, but the title reminded me there is a whole area that could be called "criminal botany". As in, there are specific plants cultivated for illegal purposes. And on the other side, forensic botany (things like analysing pollen traces)

Most plant–related crimes are pie–on–the–windowsill–on–Sunday tier.
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