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Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by vel0city »

robomartin wrote: post #654
vel0city wrote: post #445

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> Oh, yes, and I want to ride a Joby multicopter hailed using Uber to go to the major airports from local verti-ports. And you think I live in fantasy land. > if you are going back to the 1950's/60's/70's you are talking about a very different country. So in just a few decades we managed to radically change the way people moved and lived. Which was an extremely radical change from how everyone lived and moved just a…

>> Oh, yes, and I want to ride a Joby multicopter hailed using Uber to go to the major airports from local verti-ports. > And you think I live in fantasy land. Yes, you do. https://www.uber.com/us/en/newsroom/uber-air/ > So in just a few decades we managed to radically change the way people moved and lived. Which was an extremely radical change from how everyone lived and moved just a few decades before that. And yet…

This is a lot of words to ultimately agree with my core point. If we have the political will to do so, we can. It pretty much all boils down to that. If we don't have it, we can't do it.

I agree, in most parts of the US we do not currently have the political will. I agree, building things and changing minds often takes time.

But instead we've elected people who put people into power who thinks bike lanes are woke and need to be destroyed. So I guess it'll take a bit longer before we start making real progress on these issues.

You flying on that Joby tomorrow? I hear They've been saying their air taxi service is coming next year for so many years now and are only supposedly just now starting FAA testing. I wouldn't hold my breath for actual useful and anywhere near affordable service anytime soon.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by DiscourseFan »

trymas wrote: post #556
DiscourseFan wrote: post #340

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A network of fully autonomous electric self-driving cars on a developed roadway can only be superseded in efficiency by high speed rail. There is no way that traditional forms of public transit could outclass it. This is Waymo's big moneymaker: public contracts. The bus drivers and taxi drivers unions will fight it, but smaller towns looking to build denser housing and make their public spaces more walkable will happ…

Look at this article and it's graphs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passengers_per_hour_per_direct... Cars are the very bottom, by very considerable margin. You need to prove otherwise.

Yes, a traditional car. See my comment below about co-ordinated modular autonomous vehicles. Basically tiny cars that fit one person that can link up to share energy on longer routes, or even busses with detachable "pods" for last mile travel. But autonomous vehicles provide numerous possibilities that traditional modes of public transit do not.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by [deleted] »

orwin wrote: post #591
latency-guy2 wrote: post #482

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> With similar statistics, US numbers are several times higher. And as Europe has an older population, rates are likely higher, but the real difference is much smaller. Cool, so if you have the numbers or graphs, paste a link I of course believe you're lying. Probably out of the standard xenophobia. It wouldn't make sense considering average US household infrastructure vs average EU household infrastructure so I sinc…

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-lif... Think about it.

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Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by latency-guy2 »

orwin wrote: post #591
latency-guy2 wrote: post #482

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> With similar statistics, US numbers are several times higher. And as Europe has an older population, rates are likely higher, but the real difference is much smaller. Cool, so if you have the numbers or graphs, paste a link I of course believe you're lying. Probably out of the standard xenophobia. It wouldn't make sense considering average US household infrastructure vs average EU household infrastructure so I sinc…

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-lif... Think about it.

What do you think this link is proving actually? Its absolutely irrelevant to heat deaths, so nothing from either you or stratom lying.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by panick21_ »

121789 wrote: post #697
panick21_ wrote: post #604

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Easiest to understand their value as a pedestrian in a place that doesn't care about pedestrian and looks at their deaths as irrelevant. We know a lot about how to improve road safety for pedestrians, but its just not valued in some places. Replacing 100s of millions of cars with smart robot is not safety solution. Actually improving road safety with cheap well proven methods is the solution.

I feel like you have an overall rant about transportation you want to make so just make it instead of adding tangential comments to everything If you can't go down any street in any country and find people staring at their phones while driving, speeding through stop signs, and making routinely dangerous decisions then you are less aware of your surroundings than the people texting while driving. You are the person th…

You prevent speeding by structuring the road environment so to make speeding less. Comfortable, you narrow roads, you impact the visual field, you have speed bumps, raised cross walks, automatic cameras that hand out tickets when you speed, you change the road surface to create noise, you curve streets make it so cars can't go straight.

Same of stop signs, if stop signs aren't overused people respect them more. Stop signs are an anti-pattern that should only very rarely be used. You constantly see people running stop signs because stop signs are badly placed. Where I live, its very rare that people run stop signs because there are far fewer of them. It still happens, but usually not when traffic is high, because most people do value their live.

The US is well known for building roads that are great for driving fast on, then just slapping a bunch of stop signs down and a bunch of maximum speed limits (that are barely enforced) and then complain when people don't follow the law. People look at their phone because the roads are straight and wide and they think they can look at their phones.

People react to intensives and to enforcement. Give them the right intensives and most people will follow them. And best thing is, these changes even work on Waymos too.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by FromHoiPolloi »

missedthecue wrote: post #441
Grombobulous wrote: post #427

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With respect to you as a person and your ideas presented, this is one of the most car-brained posts I've ever read. > it's way more efficient than building $100 billion in transit that will take 200 years to build. What is efficient about a $13 highway widening project in Houston or the $24 billion (inflation-adjusted) and 15 years it cost to bury a highway in Boston? (It's not even much of a new highway, it's just u…

the simple fact of the matter is the Waymo is a better public transport solution for Dallas than the bus. The bus doesn't work very well in endless cul-de-sac suburbia, and that's what the Dallas/Fort Worth area (and indeed most of America) is. Like, you have to understand that most of Dallas isn't even commuting into downtown Dallas every day to work. They are just commuting to other suburbs and then back to their s…

You don't have to nuke anything. Every street is fixed/rebuild from time to time (30-40 years). The steps to follow are: 1) Allow mixed use zones. 2) Update the specs how the roads/streets are supposed to look like.

After that, grab a pint and watch how your neighborhood transforms.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by FromHoiPolloi »

xnx wrote: post #345
m_a_g wrote: post #313

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God, I love how Americans will do anything but build public transport

Just because it's not a train doesn't mean a self-driving car system isn't public transport. Free your mind.

I know in some places taxis are considered public transport. But I do not agree with that. It's still a car with one or two passengers. The only similarity with public transport is that you can use it while under influence.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by FromHoiPolloi »

bwhiting2356 wrote: post #491
Grombobulous wrote: post #427

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With respect to you as a person and your ideas presented, this is one of the most car-brained posts I've ever read. > it's way more efficient than building $100 billion in transit that will take 200 years to build. What is efficient about a $13 highway widening project in Houston or the $24 billion (inflation-adjusted) and 15 years it cost to bury a highway in Boston? (It's not even much of a new highway, it's just u…

waymos don't remove lanes of traffic, they remove parked cars and parking infrastructure, which is still pretty huge. In many suburbs, parking is the real bottleneck not traffic.

They still have to park somewhere... And the service (Waymo or a future competitor) that has it's cars closer will win more customers or can charge higher fees for faster service. The parking infrastructure might move a bit. But it won't disappear. I'd wager it'll even increase.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by phoghed »

inigyou wrote: post #525
phoghed wrote: post #321

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Still worth it so I can chargeback shitty merchants. Example, my landlord specified in my original lease one time pet fee. In my newest year lease no pet fee. I was required to pay the pet fee through some saas dedicated to this. Now that website emailed me to let me know they’ll be charging my annual fee. What fee? What for? They are providing no ongoing value to anyone as far as I can tell. They refuse to explain o…

Update: this guy was evicted 3 hours ago for doing a chargeback.

They’d lose a lot more money by trying to evict me and looking for a new tenant than they would by just dropping this dumb ass platform
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