Ask HN: High school senior, deferred from Harvard. Advice?

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Post by jellyksong » Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 1:40 AM UTC

Hello HN! I'd just like to say that I admire every person on this website, and one day I hope to be working in the tech/startup industry as many of you are. Right now, I'd be grateful for some advice and perspective.

Today I got deferred from my dream school. Perhaps that's better than being rejected, but Harvard rejects even less applicants than it accepts, so I'm in the majority (~70%).

I know that I should focus on completing my other applications, and maybe do something awesome that'll get Harvard's attention, but right now I feel so unmotivated. Several of my friends did get accepted, so that also stings. I almost feel too discouraged to do work.

It's only been a couple of hours since the news, but I'm afraid this deadbeat-ness will stick and deadlines are looming ever closer.

Do you guys have any advice? Kind or harsh words are both appreciated :)

Re: Ask HN: High school senior, deferred from Harvard. Advice?

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Post by caffeinewriter » Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 1:49 AM UTC

Read some Lifehacker. I've gotten a surprising amount of inspiration from them. But for now, just focus on getting on with your life and apply again next term. Or pull a Robert Zemeckis and call and give an "impassioned plea". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Zemeckis#USC_education_...)

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Post by ameister14 » Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 1:59 AM UTC

I ended up going to my fourth choice. I actually got into my second choice program but I'd have had to wait a year.

I had a great time, learned a lot and made tons of friends. If you're like me, your second, third or fourth choice will still be an incredibly good school so education and reputation won't be that big of a loss. Complete your other applications.

It's a big blow the first time you realize the path you'd set out for yourself won't, or in your case might not, happen. Get over it and it makes you a stronger, better, more humble person. Believe me, it's not the greatest disappointment you'll ever face.

As a side note, Harvard sent me the nicest rejection letter of any school.

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Post by dangrossman » Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 2:06 AM UTC

What's your financial situation? Harvard costs about $58,000 a year. If you're not absolutely sure you'll get a significant scholarship, you should finish those other applications just to ensure you also get in somewhere you can afford.

Right now, the unemployment plus underemployment rate for recent college graduates is 53%. Quite a bit higher than the national unemployment rate. $100-200k in student loans (which will cost closer to $300-400k to pay off with interest) doesn't make it easy to get by even if you landed a great job. A low-paying, risky startup job might not even be a realistic option once you're saddled with debt.

This is the time to think about things like that -- what you can afford, how you'll repay it, what kind of job you want when you get out, where you want to work, whether the name recognition of an ivy league school matters to those companies (and whether that's worth as much money as a small house versus going somewhere cheaper), etc.

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Post by hayksaakian » Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 2:27 AM UTC

Just do what you really want to do.

If you want to go to Harvard for the piece of paper they give you at the end, you're doing it wrong.

The relationships and skills you could build there are all within your grasp, and are up to you to take advantage of.

Don't wait for a professor to deliver knowledge on a silver platter, go out and grab it!

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Post by viraj_shah » Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 2:32 AM UTC

I think trying to convince you that where you to go school isn't as big of a deal as you might think it is may be fruitless. Harvard is great nonetheless. First and foremost you still have a shot of getting in, in April or whenever you find out. Second and most importantly, examine why you really want to go to school. Do you want to meet new people, study/experience academics, be independent, or any linear combination thereof? If you want to school, I think for more than just the name and the fact that it's the next step, finish your applications. It can't hurt and you don't have to go if you don't want to. BUT if you are feeling a lack of motivation because you're tired of school, the rigid structure, or whatever it is, then don't feel like you have to step in line. Many people, brilliant and not brilliant, have taken time off between high school and college. I certainly wish I did. Whether this is the right move or not is certainly particular to you and what you choose to do with your time off. You can do great and wonderful things that school could never offer but you have to be self-motivated. Good luck.

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Post by bpc9 » Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 2:37 AM UTC

It's only been a few hours. Do whatever it is you do to relax / clear your mind. Go for a run, listen to some music, etc.

Long term success has a great deal to do with how you respond to challenges or failures along the way. Also, it's important to try for some perspective. It's easy and tempting to view college admissions as a referendum on your worth as an individual.

After all, for many folks it's a first chance to actively choose / be chosen by a group, and the "start" of your independent adult life. But as much enrichment and opportunity as any good school will provide, it's not going to define who you are and what you do with your life.

That's up to you.

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Post by Mz » Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 3:05 AM UTC

Long ago, in a galaxy far away: I was accepted to UGA (which is a big deal in hicksville) with a National Merit Scholarship. I also was offered the chance to apply for a fellowship, but I missed the deadline. (My dream college was St. John's in New Mexico but I didn't have the foreign language classes to get accepted.)

I went up to UGA by bus for orientation and wandered around on foot on a Sunday trying to find something to eat while feeling awful. As the day wore on, I felt worse and worse. By the end of the day, I just felt really dreadful and I just wanted to leave. I called my sister who kindly drove up to get me. I gave up my scholarship, attended a local college, married, dropped out of school. I had kids and was a homemaker for a long time.

Many years later, after a lot more mysterious health issues, I was told I had a deadly disorder. Looking back on it, had I gone to UGA (or St. John's) and pursued a career, I likely would have died young, one of those headlines that says something like "Promising youth dies mysteriously". The social isolation of being home wth my kids likely helped me stay relatively healthy for longer. My preference would have been "social butterfly". And it likely would have helped to kill me.

I am not religious and I don't think you have to believe in some sort of god to find a logical explanation for the detour I took. I didn't have a diagnosis but I also didn't feel well that fateful day at orientation when I decided "I just want to go home". So let me suggest that if you fail to get into Harvard, perhaps the message is that it isn't the best fit for you. Forcing it might do more harm than good.

I am more inclined these days to accept seeming roadblocks as constructive feedback: Either step up my game so I can get past it without forcing it or accept that it is probably for the best that I not go there. I suggest you get cracking on something else. It would be a shame to let a lot of other doors close because you wasted too much time on disappointment.

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Post by impendia » Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 3:27 AM UTC

I'm going to disagree with a lot of other commenters: In my experience, a top-notch education is enormously valuable, and where you go to school very much matters.

I applied for grad schools in math, my first choice was MIT. I was very disappointed to be rejected. My second choice was Michigan, and I was very disappointed to be rejected there too. My third choice was Stanford. Rejected.

My fourth choice was Wisconsin. I went there and it was an AWESOME experience. They gave me as much as I could handle, and prepared me very well for the road ahead.

I will disagree with other commenters and say that it is not "all for the best". It probably would have been better if you got into Harvard. You really did lose something, and you would be dishonest to yourself to pretend otherwise.

But Plans B and C and D and E and F are also really incredible. I had the amazing fortune to get a three year postdoc at Stanford (a "postdoc" is a short-term job you can get right after you get a Ph.D.) and worked with some of the best mathematicians in the world. Stanford is a top-notch place. Apply there.

Apply to MIT. Caltech. Princeton. Rice. Brown. Harvey Mudd. Deep Springs. Apply to the state school in your state. State schools vary highly in quality, but some of them (Michigan, Wisconsin, Berkeley, UNC, and others) are really top notch.

Apply to any school that piques your interest. Or, consider doing something else for a year before returning to school, if that's your cup of tea.

You still should be selective and aim as high as you can, but know there are a huge number of wonderful universities out there offering mind-blowing educations.

If you're prepared for periodic disappointments, then you need fear nothing and the world is yours! There are so many opportunities out there which are still available to you. What an awesome fact to contemplate. I wish you good luck.

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Post by deservingend » Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 3:31 AM UTC

dangrossman wrote: post #4

What's your financial situation? Harvard costs about $58,000 a year. If you're not absolutely sure you'll get a significant scholarship, you should finish those other applications just to ensure you also get in somewhere you can afford. Right now, the unemployment plus underemployment rate for recent college graduates is 53%. Quite a bit higher than the national unemployment rate. $100-200k in student loans (which wi…

Harvard has excellent financial aid.